Posted on 05/02/2007 7:15:19 PM PDT by Flavius
Senators moved ahead Wednesday on legislation to replace one-quarter of the nation's gasoline with ethanol
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maybe someone has the current hocus pocus data
and at times like these its important to note that it costs
1 dollar to yank oil out of warn torn Iraq also lets not forget the Abiotic tin foil ...
Why can’t all the equipment needed to produce ethanol run on ethanol?
well, i wont get into details because i just dont care
the cartoon is obviously stupid
yes you can run engines on whatever
at the end of the day they are making one fuel because it has a cool lobby
personally why use energy of the sun stored in corn when we can go directly to the source
meaning wind electrical etc, this corn bs hopefully will go away when they finally crash the oil
at any rate i am more of an electric fan
Don’t mess with my car!
Umm, check the math. Ethanol is less efficient than gas, so if it takes 1.5 gal. of ethanol to produce 1 gal. of ethanol......
NO BLOOD FOR CORN!!!
Assuming, for sake of dicussion, that the numbers given in the cartoon are correct (I don't think they are), eventually we would run out of ethonal, because it takes moreenergy to produce ethonal that you get out of the process.
Those numbers are probably correct. We’ve known for a long time that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get from the finished product.
Facts don’t bother people who have a “religion”, and ethanol is part of the global warming “religion”.
It is not a matter of which fuel you use to produce the ethanol. It is just that it requires more fuel to produce the ethanol than the yield. It is a losing proposition. It is not economical. It is purely a political payoff to a farm lobby.
Ethanol is not as good a fuel as gasoline. It burns at a lower temperature. If it were as good, there would be no reason that you could not burn 100% ethanol, which you could in a small steam engine — but it still would not be as efficient as gasoline. Why do the dilute your fuel only partly with ethanol? Because the car wouldn’t work with 100% ethanol. Using ethanol-diluted gasoline is like drinking watered-down beer.
As an environmental proposition, ethanol fuel makes no sense, because its production uses soil (from which we get our food) to make fuel which is available elsewhere. Our soil is an extremely valuable resource, and farming tends to use it up.
The whole drive for “energy independence” probably makes no sense. If we don’t ues foreign oil, other people will. If we force our people and their industries to use inferior fuel at greater cost, we will simply be handicapping ourselves and handing our foreign competitors the advantage of using real petroleum. So the situation could become irreversible, as we become poorer and they become richer — and after a while, we will be the ones who cannot even afford oil, and some emerging economies will be able to buy it all, whether we like it or not.
And the ethanol worshipers still haven’t figured out that gasoline is a small piece of the oil pie. We could eliminate the need for gasoline tomorrow and it would not dramatically change the amount of crude oil required to supply our other petroleum related needs.
Western Washington University in Bellingham, Washington recently won an award in D.C. for their Viking2 automobile (HONDA) that runs on methane from cow manure processed into natural gas. They hope to eventually convert the local buses to run on the manure/gas as well. The gas comes from a local dairy farm that produces enough electricity with their manure processor that they could support electricity to 180 homes. They sell their energy right to the Puget Sound Energy grid.
screw that .... there will be NO price breaks on gasoline if they do this, beef gets more expensive and corn will get more expensive..... AND the car gets WORSE mileage.
But the real reason is the liberals have to show they are doing something and Bush's 20% ethanol passed in 2005 won't make news, while the liberals can then claim that they are doing something big by requiring a higher number and taking credit for it all. You do remember the 2005 Republican energy bill don't you?
All the alcohol fuels are a waste except possibly cellulosic butanol. They are also having the effect of driving up food costs. Corn was 5 for a $1 now they same corn is 2 for a $1 because of the drain for ethanol. Suing your food source for fuel doesn't make much sense. You did hear about the fact that rice patties contribute more to globull warming than all the cars trains and planes combined. Now we have two sources bigger than man, if you include cow farts.
The whole globull warming thing is a hoax anyway, but the liberals have to "do something" don't you know. Here is a recent article in the nation which spells out the hoax for you. The link points to the free version.
Starve the poor: Support biofuel subsidies!
Manure electric is up and running here in VT. More and more farms come online as electrical producers all of the time.
Investment tip....fuel pumps. Ethanol eats fuel pumps.
You make a good point about the wider use of petroleum than just for gas.
Another point that was new to me is that southeast Asia (particularly Indonesia) is losing their rainforests to farms that grow plants for ethanol.
Sticking an oil well in ANWR or the Gulf of Mexico is far less environmentally destructive.
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