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MAYOR GIULIANI ANNOUNCES HATE CRIME INITIATIVE TO REDUCE HATE CRIME AND ENHANCE HATE CRIME
Archives of the Mayor's Press Office ^ | March 30, 2000 | NYC Mayor's Office PR

Posted on 05/03/2007 3:50:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Salvey
No mention of when Rudy barred the elephant dung painting of the Virgin Mary back in 1999? Or when he gave Arafat the old heave-ho at Lincoln Center? Or when he told that Saudi prince what to do with his bloody millions after 9/11?

Or when he paid his taxes on time or when he used the crosswalk instead of jay walking?

41 posted on 05/03/2007 11:20:05 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Rodney King; tkathy; ElkGroveDan; little jeremiah; Jim Robinson
"I won't be voting for him for President."

You'll vote for another candidate, or sit it out?
42 posted on 05/03/2007 12:04:29 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou; Spiff; Czar
You'll vote for another candidate, or sit it out?

Here we go again.

Mind if I borrow this, Spiff? I'll turn it off when I'm finished.


43 posted on 05/03/2007 12:09:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: tkathy
Why don’t the conservatives spend their energy taking the fight to the democrats rather than fellow republicans? However imperfect?

An "imperfect" Republican (if that's the term we're using this week) is no different than a typical Democrat. So ipso facto we are fighting one in the same.

44 posted on 05/03/2007 12:13:19 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; Rodney King

It’s a valid question. Answer or don’t. It doesn’t merit a flame. I was actually asking Rodney King, anyway. Yours was just the most recent post.


45 posted on 05/03/2007 12:19:07 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
It’s a valid question.

Not really. He said he'd never vote for Rudy. End of discussion.

That's why we all need to get out there and make sure someone wins the nomination who isn't going to chase away Republican votes.

46 posted on 05/03/2007 12:23:52 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Froufrou

In the primaries I will vote for another candidate. If for some odd reason (GOP (and other?) money transfused to him, can’t imagine any other reason) he wins the primaries, I’ll be voting third party, thank you.

Some lesser evils are so close to the greater evils that I couldn’t in good conscience vote for them.


47 posted on 05/03/2007 12:25:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Hate crime” laws-—the hallmark of totalitarianism-—were imposed by Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Fidel....and now Giuliani.


48 posted on 05/03/2007 12:27:32 PM PDT by Lindykim (Courage is the first of all the virtues...if you haven*t courage, you may not have the opportunity)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I didn’t have this on my list of Rudy negatives, I'll add it to...

Might as well start a database. You're gonna need one to keep track of it all.

49 posted on 05/03/2007 12:34:35 PM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: ElkGroveDan; little jeremiah

I voted third party once and Clinton was elected. After that, I could no longer tolerate the DNC. But not voting is even worse.


50 posted on 05/03/2007 12:35:52 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
You'll vote for another candidate, or sit it out?

I am not exactly sure.

First... If Giuliani actually came out swinging on flat tax, HSA's, partial privatisation of social security, then I would vote for him.

Basically, though, I just don't do that lesser of two evils voting anymore. Having lived most of my life in CT, I did it all the time since the Republicans are all liberals. I also did it somewhat in 2000 (although, I had hopes for W), I deifently did it in '04, as I don't like W, but hated Kerry.

Anyway, it has occurred to me, largely from reading DU and KOS, where they too feel that they vote for the lesser of two evils, that this is a massive con and a suckers game. While one can make the logical case for any one election that one should pick the lesser of two evils, it is very clear over time that it is a suckers game. I simply refuse to play it anymore.

As to the specific question: I may vote for Giuliani (although I doubt it). If there is a good third party candidate, I will vote for him/her. I will not vote Democratic. (Well, if it was Gravel vs. Giuliani I suppose I might vote for Gravel).

51 posted on 05/03/2007 12:36:28 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: little jeremiah
In the primaries I will vote for another candidate.

Maybe the problem is that not enough people vote in the primaries. Either that, or the party is too split between RINOS and conservatives. But, is there any indication of who the Libertarians have? I can't vote for Nader!
52 posted on 05/03/2007 12:39:41 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Salvey
No mention of when Rudy barred the elephant dung painting of the Virgin Mary back in 1999? Or when he gave Arafat the old heave-ho at Lincoln Center? Or when he told that Saudi prince what to do with his bloody millions after 9/11?

The big difference is that none of these things you mention were really anything more than grandstanding and showmanship, and they had zilch effect on anything really substantive. "Hate crime" laws, on the other hand, present a clear and present danger to the First Amendment, which is yet another amendment that Rudy isn't too keen on.

53 posted on 05/03/2007 12:46:47 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (A member of the Frederalist Party)
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To: Froufrou
I voted third party once and Clinton was elected. After that, I could no longer tolerate the DNC. But not voting is even worse.

All the more reason to make sure no one is nominated who will put you in that position again.

54 posted on 05/03/2007 12:48:59 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
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To: Rodney King; little jeremiah

I don’t know anything about this Gravel guy. Even if Joe Lieberman ran, I’m not sure I could ever vote Dem. Like you, I can’t stand Kerry.

I think for social conservatives the issue comes down to abortion, that it splits the party more than any other. That’s too bad, IMHO, since the odds of overturning Roe v. Wade are probably slim.

Even though I abhor abortion, IMO it would be better to ‘legislate backwards’ to defeat it than to tread on stare decisis. And that is possible now that late term/partial birth AB has been taken out.


55 posted on 05/03/2007 12:49:26 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Jim Robinson
"Every hate crime is a crime against our City, since it strikes at the diversity upon which New York thrives," the Mayor said.

He inadvertently hit on a grain of truth here. Most of what is now called *hate crimes* is already illegal. No need to make a special category of crime when people can be prosecuted under current laws to begin with.

56 posted on 05/03/2007 12:49:37 PM PDT by ukie55
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

He learned that real quick.


57 posted on 05/03/2007 12:50:16 PM PDT by ukie55
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yes, it was an unhappy experience I’d love to avoid. Come to think about it, I never have really noticed when the primaries come around. Even now, there’s a bond issue up for vote and I have yet to drag my carcass in to early vote on it because I’m spending too much time here and not researching it!


58 posted on 05/03/2007 12:53:56 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ukie55

Yeah - it happened real fast too. I think Jim has the power to zot through standard tcp/ip.


59 posted on 05/03/2007 12:54:52 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Anti Islam and a Global Warming denier - piss on Islam)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

That must be a real rewarding experience.


60 posted on 05/03/2007 12:58:30 PM PDT by ukie55
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