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Reid: Nothing Is Off The Table In Iraq War Negotiations With White House
FOX ^ | 05/03/07 | Unknown

Posted on 05/03/2007 1:21:45 PM PDT by Froufrou

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To: Froufrou

Nothing is off the table. Except Reid’s opportunism and lack of honor.


21 posted on 05/03/2007 2:01:20 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Froufrou

Duncan Hunter asked Reid to resign, and I agree with him.

Here’s how I think we should “pull out of Iraq.” Add one more front to the scenario below, which would be a classic amphibious beach landing from the south in Iran, and it becomes a “strategic withdrawal” from Iraq. And I think the guy who would pull it off is Duncan Hunter.

How to Stand Up to Iran

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1808220/posts?page=36#36
Posted by Kevmo to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism 03/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT · 36 of 36

Split Iraq up and get out
***The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive. We would be destroying nuke facilities and building concrete fences along geo-political lines, separating warring tribes physically. At the end, we take our boys into Kurdistan, set up a couple of big military bases and stay awhile. We could invite the French, Swiss, Italians, Mozambiqans, Argentinians, Koreans, whoever is willing to be the police forces for the regions that we move through, and if the area gets too hot for these peacekeeper weenies we send in military units. Basically, it would be learning the lesson of Iraq and applying it.

15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts

Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas — like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war as we once did. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. It’s the South vs. the South.

Rule 10: Mideast civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; b) like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is us. If we don’t want to play that role, Iraq’s civil war will end with A or B.

Let’s say my scenario above is what happens. Would that military mobilization qualify as a “withdrawal” from Iraq as well as Afghanistan? Then, when we’re all done and we set up bases in Kurdistan, it wouldn’t really be Iraq, would it? It would be Kurdistan.


22 posted on 05/03/2007 2:03:40 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Froufrou

nump


23 posted on 05/03/2007 2:23:37 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Everything will be the same in the Dems new proposal,including a “date certain” for withdrawal — but date will be January 1, 2075. They win.


24 posted on 05/03/2007 2:37:59 PM PDT by SoCalRight
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To: Froufrou
The pressure is on the Rats to get something done because the President can shuffle money till Sept 1, start of the fiscal year, and if the appropriations isn’t in the ‘08 general budget the President could veto the budget, shut down the government nonessential spending then walk down to the treasury and get all the money he needs for the military and current military ops.
25 posted on 05/03/2007 2:55:12 PM PDT by tobyhill (only wimps believe in retreat in defeat)
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To: markman46; tobyhill

So much for the Democrat posturing! They get all puffed up and then what? Why don’t the sheeple who follow them ever see it???


26 posted on 05/04/2007 7:37:43 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Kevmo
The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive.

I've no training but this is EXACTLY what I thought was a viable move. GMTA!
27 posted on 05/04/2007 7:42:52 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou; Duncan Hunter Ambassador

I dunno what GMTA is...

I do think that if any presidential candidate says this in a debate, he will score huge points with the american public. “I support a strategic withdrawal from Iraq via Tehran.”

I’m pinging Sam Hunter on this for the Duncan Hunter campaign’s consideration on that item.


28 posted on 05/04/2007 9:08:22 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo
I do think that if any presidential candidate says this in a debate, he will score huge points with the american public.

I'm not so sure. Many people - even on this site - are sick of the war. It's hard on troops and their families.
29 posted on 05/04/2007 9:16:01 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou
Old Harry should just go fiddle with himself, make some more land deals and leave war and peace to the grownups to take care of.
30 posted on 05/04/2007 9:20:12 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: mimaw

Bwahahahahaha!


31 posted on 05/04/2007 9:23:21 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

I know something that’s off the table, Senator Reid. Officially “off the table” are any lingering doubts about the alleged patriotism of the Left. It doesn’t exist.


32 posted on 05/04/2007 9:24:50 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: mimaw

And reid was going to shut down yucca mountain, we don’t hear a peep about that, do we? Another reason for Nevada to send him packing...who will be his republican opponent?


33 posted on 05/04/2007 9:30:49 AM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: Froufrou

It’s hard on troops and their families.
***I agree. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like...

15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts

This was the strategic error that GWB committed. It was another brilliant military campaign but the followup should have been 4X as big. All those countries that don’t agree with sending troups to fight a war should have been willing to send in policemen and nurses to set up infrastructure and repair the country.

What do you think we should do with Iraq?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1752311/posts

Posted by Kevmo to Blue Scourge
On News/Activism 12/12/2006 9:17:33 AM PST · 23 of 105

My original contention was that we should have approached the reluctant “allies” like the French to send in Police forces for the occupation after battle, since they were so unwilling to engage in the fighting. It was easy to see that we’d need as many folks in police and nurse’s uniforms as we would in US Army unitorms in order to establish a democracy in the middle east. But, since we didn’t follow that line of approach, we now have a civil war on our hands. If we were to set our sights again on the police/nurse approach, we might still be able to pull this one off. I think we won the war in Iraq; we just haven’t won the peace.

I also think we should simply divide the country. The Kurds deserve their own country, they’ve proven to be good allies. We could work with them to carve out a section of Iraq, set their sights on carving some territory out of Iran, and then when they’re done with that, we can help “negotiate” with our other “allies”, the Turks, to secure Kurdish autonomy in what presently eastern Turkey.

That leaves the Sunnis and Shiites to divide up what’s left. We would occupy the areas between the two warring factions. Also, the UN/US should occupy the oil-producing regions and parcel out the revenue according to whatever plan they come up with. That gives all the sides something to argue about rather than shooting at us.


34 posted on 05/04/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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I agree. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like.

Exactly so. Either you've read "Unholy Alliance" or you think just like Horowitz.
35 posted on 05/04/2007 10:23:08 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

I haven’t read that book and I don’t know who Horowitz is. Perhaps you could post a sampling of his/her stuff here for us to pursue? No need to reinvent the wheel if someone else already has.


36 posted on 05/04/2007 10:25:55 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative writer and activist. A prominent supporter of Marxism and a member of the New Left in the 1960s, Horowitz later rejected Leftism and now identifies with the right wing of the political spectrum. He is a founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center (formerly the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), and has served as president of that organization for many years, currently earning $352,647 a year in that role (2005)[1]. He is also a writer for the conservative magazine NewsMax, and the editor of the popular conservative website FrontPageMag.com. He founded the activist group Students for Academic Freedom and is affiliated with Campus Watch. He frequently appears on the Fox News Channel as an analyst.


This is from wikipedia. This man is on many conservative websits and you can probably do a search for him right here. I’ve seen his articles posted here many times, just like Dr. Thomas Sowell.


37 posted on 05/04/2007 10:29:55 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Cool. I’ve heard of more than one Horowitz. I guess I don’t run in his circles. He’s a bit long winded. I couldn’t even get through this article I found when I googled “david horowitz” + Iraq. He’s purty intelligent, maybe I oughtter read up on his stuff, since I think like him & all.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16103


38 posted on 05/04/2007 10:37:36 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: Kevmo

I would agree that Sowell is way easier to read. Not so verbose.


39 posted on 05/04/2007 10:39:03 AM PDT by Froufrou
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