Haditha Marines you can do so by going to these sites.
By the way, the first Article 32 in the Haditha case will be on May 8th. Get the lowdown at this thread: Haditha Article 32: Capt. Randy W. Stone
“The documents also show that derailing enemy propaganda was important to senior Marine commander”
Times, purveyors of liberal propoganda on a daily basis, state this as if it is somehow surprising or shocking.
It is obvious that this was a set up from the very beginning. The insurgents were embedded in the civiliian’s house, inviting, no doubt provoking, what happened. Likely with accusations to make against our Marines in mind. Outrageous that this country recognized those accusations!
Of course the NY Times seems to think that our military shouldn’t use propaganda as a technique to defeat the enemy, and that there is something wrong with our military leaders putting out information which is calculated to damage the enemy. What a bunch of fools.
No doubt the NY Times staff thinks every thing the terrorists say is true...
There, I fixed it.
Ironically, once the cat was out of the bag that the civilians were not killed the way the initial report stated, the revised propaganda apparently called for mollifying the Haditha locals by railroading the Marines who were there.
One propaganda effort has simply replaced the other.
And a bunch of good Marines are caught in the middle.
What a friggin disgrace.
Man, I am getting so damned tired of seeing killing of 24 Iraqi civilians stated as fact.
Thanks for the updates as usual. I am not going to second guess at this point. Not sure how to view the article you referenced within the whole picture.
Tim McGirk should stand in front of jack murtha on the firing line
JAN 15 2006 murtha detailed his exit strategy. BUT A YEAR BEFORE, Murtha argued ... “A PREMATURE WITHDRAWAL of our troops based on a political timetable could rapidly devolve into a civil war which WOULD LEAVE AMERICA'S FOREIGN POLICY IN DISARRAY AS COUNTRIES QUESTION NOT ONLY AMERICA'S JUDGMENT BUT ALSO ITS PERSEVERANCE,” he stated. murtha says he was wrong before and that times changed since that statement.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/13/60minutes/main1208423_page3.shtml
MCSQUIRT'S STORY CAME OUT MARCH 19, 2007 ~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please read this excerpt carefully from the article Red has posted:
In a statement he gave at Camp Lejeune, N.C., in April, nearly five months later, General Huck told investigators that he could not recall being informed of reports that 15 civilians had been killed. He said he was overseeing several combat operations at the time, and that he had no reason to believe that the civilians killed in Haditha were not enemy fighters. (I still don't have any reason NOR IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE to believe that the women and children were not enemy fighters, accomplices, crossfire, or were hostages being used as human shields.)
“I didn’t know at the time whether they were bad guys, noncombatants, or whatever,” General Huck said, according to a transcript of the interview. Later in the interview, he added, “They may have been guys pulling the trigger, for all I know.” (DO WE INVESTIGATE EVERY ENEMY FIGHTER/ACCOMPLICE/CROSSFIRE/HOSTAGE SHIELD?!)
General Huck, who is expected to testify at the accused officers’ hearings, told investigators he did not recall orders, called commanders critical information requirements that required him to alert his superiors and investigate the circumstances of any attack that killed at least three times as many civilians as American forces.
General Huck said that three days after the Haditha episode, in the midst of two combat operations, he visited Colonel Chessani, the battalion commander, who showed him an electronic slide show of the attacks that, according to investigators, did not mention the civilian deaths.
“I sat there and took the brief and no bells and whistles went off,” General Huck told investigators.
The bells, the general said, sounded two and a half months later, on Feb. 12, (Remember, murtha changed his stance on Jan 15, McSquirt's story comes out March 19, and murtha says it's a cold blooded killing on May 18) after he sent his boss, Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the commander of ground operations in Iraq at the time, an e-mail message with Colonel Chessani’s slide presentation attached to it.
“I support our account and do not see a necessity for further investigation,” General Huck wrote in the message to General Chiarelli in Baghdad, adding: “Allegedly, McGirk received his info from the mayor of Haditha, who we strongly suspect to be an insurgent.”
Less than five hours later, records show, General Chiarelli forwarded the e-mail message to his chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Donald Campbell, with a note.
“Don: We need to get together at the first possible moment tomorrow morning,” he wrote. “We’re going to have to do an investigation.”
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Sep 17, 2006 BY MNF Iraq, http://www.mnf-iraq.com/ The level of U.S. forces in Anbar province is sufficient, (REALLY?) especially given the conditions in Baghdad and the focused operations there, Chiarelli said. U.S. commanders on the ground agree that ending violence in Baghdad is the main U.S. effort right now, and forces in Iraq are aligned accordingly, he added.
"In military parlance we always weight our main effort, and that's what we're doing right now," Chiarelli said. "We're going to continue to do that till we get the conditions in Baghdad where they need to be."
Lt. Gen. Chiarelli said the Baghdad security plan is making progress. (REALLY?) Sectarian violence has decreased, and areas are already seeing economic development. Baghdad is a large city, and operations there will not be short-term, he said, but U.S. forces continue to work with Iraqi forces and political leaders to reduce violence and improve services and conditions for the Iraqi people.
"We're very, very pleased with what has occurred with the Baghdad security plan, (Is that a fact? Who's WE? NONE OF HIS OPINIONS HOLD WATER if you look at what's transpired since he made this statement... his counter insurgency plans sucked, and conditions in Baghdad steadily deteriorated. He was reassigned, an expert in counter insurgency took his place, more troops have surged into Baghdad, and Anbar is looking GOOD.) and we look forward in the months ahead to seeing conditions in Baghdad continue to improve," he said. http://www.army.mil/-news/2006/09/17/122-victory-will-be-complex-general-says/
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In his own set of conclusions, General Chiarelli recommended that American forces in Iraq receive additional counterinsurgency training both in the United States before deploying, and once in Iraq. (He said this in July 2006 for God's sake. What kind of a CYA statement is THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?) "From your basic recruit to commanders, he's calling for a refinement of the counterinsurgency approach," said one of the defense officials..........................
.............After the roadside bomb went off, marines who survived the explosion said they believed they were under sustained attack (like they were stupid for believing that?!) and that they were entitled under their rules of engagement to use lethal force as they searched surrounding houses for those who they believed were responsible for the bombing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/08/world/middleeast/08haditha.html?pagewanted=2&ei=5088&en=22345e3e2c8ada2a&ex=1310011200&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
2 senior commanders in Iraq (Chiarelli) reassigned
September 25, 2006
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/09/25/2_senior_commanders_in_iraq_reassigned/
“I sat there and took the brief and no bells and whistles went off,” General Huck told investigators.
The bells, the general said, sounded two and a half months later, on Feb. 12, after he sent his boss, Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, the commander of ground operations in Iraq at the time, an e-mail message with Colonel Chessani’s slide presentation attached to it.
“I support our account and do not see a necessity for further investigation,” General Huck wrote in the message to General Chiarelli in Baghdad, adding: “Allegedly, McGirk received his info from the mayor of Haditha, who we strongly suspect to be an insurgent.”
Less than five hours later, records show, General Chiarelli forwarded the e-mail message to his chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Donald Campbell, with a note.
“Don: We need to get together at the first possible moment tomorrow morning,” he wrote. “We’re going to have to do an investigation.”
It's difficult to imagine that Chirarelli would decide to discount Huck's report out of hand without even meeting with him, and 5 hours doesn't leave him enough time to do much of anything but read the report.
If this is true, it sounds like the decision to investigate had already been made.
Overall, I'd say the purpose and timing of this article was to discredit General Huck.