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Hallucinating, vomiting and unable to stand, but guides refused water to dying trekker
Guardian ^ | 5/7/07 | Dan Glaister

Posted on 05/07/2007 1:51:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Family sues survival school after death of fit 29-year-old on wilderness course

"Dave is dead." The words came at the end of the second day of what was supposed to be a character-forming experience, a chance for 12 people to "experience the wilderness to the fullest".

Instead, the trek through the mountains and desert of Utah in the mid-western US left David Buschow, a fit 29-year-old US air force veteran and security guard from New York dehydrated and hallucinating, his eyes bulging and tongue swollen. Less than 10 hours after setting off from the group's overnight camp on the second day, Buschow collapsed and died.

According to the coroner's report, he died from "dehydration and electrolyte imbalance due to hiking in hot environmental temperatures with inadequate water and electrolyte replacement".

But, an inquiry has found, the three wilderness camp instructors accompanying the group did have water. They chose not to offer it to Buschow, preferring that he attempt to complete the day's task. Buschow died knowing he was just 100 yards from the spot where water had already been found.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: dehydration; refused; trekker; water
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To: gidget7

exertion in even modest heat requires 1 liter of fluid per hour to stay hydrated, heavy exertion/desert/higher temps would require more. It is quite easy to be very dehydrated in just a couple of hours if you do not take care of yourself


21 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:06 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: USMCWife6869

I went to the link and read the full thing. Two other people were offered water. When this guy fell down and said he needed water, it was refused. The guide told him he could go farther than he thought he could, and told him to get up, he could make it. That’s when he noticed the guy was no longer breathing.


22 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:55 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LibWhacker
Buschow had brought a water bottle with him but was told to carry it empty.

His family needs to sue. There is a huge difference between using a waiver to protect yourself, when doing something so inherently dangerous that people get hurt or killed even when everything is done right, and using a waiver to protect yourself when you have callously allowed someone in your care to die from a danger you have a duty to protect them from.

If they got to the water hole and, againt all expectation, it was dry, or contaminated, and the guy dies, well, that is why you have a waiver. But when you order him to not carry his own water, then listen to him describe the symtoms of heat stroke and dehydration, while carrying for yourself the water you ordered him not to bring for himself...

Somebody ought to suffer for that.

23 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:55 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: wastedyears
I’d hang the guides.

Indeed. They did commit murder, after all. But the best we can probably hope for is some form of manslaughter.

24 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:59 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Mom MD

Yes, you are right.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Monkey King

That’s an excellent point. He probably never looked so angelic in his life as when he was dying of thirst.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 2:08:56 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Just another angry military veteran.)
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

By hiking in low humidity and high temperatures.

27 posted on 05/07/2007 2:10:28 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: LibWhacker

I know it’s the Guardian and all, but ...

“the trek through the mountains and desert of Utah in the mid-western US”

If they get something factual wrong like Utah being in the midwest, then what else is wrong in this story?


28 posted on 05/07/2007 2:14:23 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: gidget7

How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?


10 hours extreme hiking in July heat with no water?


29 posted on 05/07/2007 2:14:35 PM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: gidget7

“How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?”

That is an excellent question, and one that needs to be investigated before we hang the guides.


30 posted on 05/07/2007 2:17:38 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: LibWhacker

Prayers for David Buschow & his family. I hope the family sues this company & the so called guides face trial.


31 posted on 05/07/2007 2:19:07 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: montag813

AP article

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/NEWS/705040340/1326

No one is going to prison, per the article:

“Garfield County authorities declined to file charges, saying there was insufficient evidence the school acted with criminal negligence. The prosecutor said participants knew they were taking a risk.”

also in the article:

“He said he could not go on,” staff member Shawn O’Neal wrote two days later in a statement ordered by the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office. “I felt that he could make it this short distance and told him he could do it as I have seen many students sore, dehydrated and saying ‘can’t’ do something, only to find that they have strength beyond their conceived limits.”

O’Neal didn’t inform Buschow about his emergency water.

“I wanted him to accomplish getting to the water and the cave for rest,” he wrote. “He asked me to go get the water for him. I said I was not going to leave him. ... Shortly thereafter I had a bad feeling and turned to Dave and found no sign of breathing.”


32 posted on 05/07/2007 2:24:24 PM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: gidget7
>>>How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?<<<

A gal friend and I were unintentionally left on a Baja Mexico beach during the heat of the day for about 2 hours. We had only intended to be there 30 minutes or so. The dinghy that dropped us off had engine problems and didn't return as planned.

We had swim suits and T-shirts and sandals on. After about an hour we were becoming dehydrated and a bit panicky. The wind was probably as much a factor as the heat and the sun. The only relief was to crawl under some very big rocks for shelter......another hour of exposure would have found us delirious.

I have had huge respect for sun and wind exposure and what it can do ever since!

33 posted on 05/07/2007 2:26:56 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: gidget7
>>>How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?<<<

A gal friend and I were unintentionally left on a Baja Mexico beach during the heat of the day for about 2 hours. We had only intended to be there 30 minutes or so. The dinghy that dropped us off had engine problems and didn't return as planned.

We had swim suits and T-shirts and sandals on. After about an hour we were becoming dehydrated and a bit panicky. The wind was probably as much a factor as the heat and the sun. The only relief was to crawl under some very big rocks for shelter......another hour of exposure would have found us delirious.

I have had huge respect for sun and wind exposure and what it can do ever since!

34 posted on 05/07/2007 2:27:03 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: gidget7
"How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?"

Wonder if he was drinking booze or beer the night before. That will do it.

35 posted on 05/07/2007 2:30:49 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

i can picture it - I got hypothermia in 35 degree weather....it happens

My best friend has been preparing for a grand canyon float trip all winter and spring - the first thing they learned was take a drink every 15 minutes wether you think you need it or not

36 posted on 05/07/2007 2:32:45 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: LibWhacker

When you hike in this region, the No. 1 rule is to bring lots of water. Any guide who advises hikers to not bring water is guilty of criminal negligence.


37 posted on 05/07/2007 2:45:52 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona; All

Yeah, some “survival” school.


38 posted on 05/07/2007 2:58:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
the instructors killed the guy. this is bullsh#t. they were macho bullsh#t guides that are cloned from the same sadistic pr#cks that they used to have in boot camp before a DI drowned a bunch of boots in a swamp back in the 50's.

They are more into the power over people rather than the teaching of men. I've always hated power hungry assh#les like that.

They should be held criminally responsible as well as civially liable. I hate lawyers as much as the next guy but this is beyond the pale.

If he was my son, I'd tell the guy to turn himself in to the nearest authorities........ for his own protection. or I'd chain him up and put him, wrapped up in trash bags, inside of a sauna for about 3-4 hours. no water and let the chips fall where they may.

39 posted on 05/07/2007 3:09:19 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Revelation 911
A couple of years ago I led a hike in the Mojave. Some of my fellow hikers were experienced desert hikers. Some were not. I advised everyone to bring at least a gallon of water each for what was expected to be an eight hour hike, some of it over very rough terrain. Four hours into the hike I learned that several of my friends had chosen to ignore my advice on water, so I shared my gallon with them. Ten hours into the hike, most of us had to stop because we had lost light and one of the water derelicts was shaking and tossing his cookies. He was fine by morning and could complete the hike because two of the people who knew what they were doing had hiked out and returned at night with water and salt tablets.

Lessons learned:

1. Desert hiking, even in the fall and spring, can dehydrate you VERY fast.

2. Don't trust your fellow hikers to bring enough food and water. Verify that they are being prudent.

40 posted on 05/07/2007 3:18:15 PM PDT by p. henry
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