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Hallucinating, vomiting and unable to stand, but guides refused water to dying trekker
Guardian ^ | 5/7/07 | Dan Glaister

Posted on 05/07/2007 1:51:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Family sues survival school after death of fit 29-year-old on wilderness course

"Dave is dead." The words came at the end of the second day of what was supposed to be a character-forming experience, a chance for 12 people to "experience the wilderness to the fullest".

Instead, the trek through the mountains and desert of Utah in the mid-western US left David Buschow, a fit 29-year-old US air force veteran and security guard from New York dehydrated and hallucinating, his eyes bulging and tongue swollen. Less than 10 hours after setting off from the group's overnight camp on the second day, Buschow collapsed and died.

According to the coroner's report, he died from "dehydration and electrolyte imbalance due to hiking in hot environmental temperatures with inadequate water and electrolyte replacement".

But, an inquiry has found, the three wilderness camp instructors accompanying the group did have water. They chose not to offer it to Buschow, preferring that he attempt to complete the day's task. Buschow died knowing he was just 100 yards from the spot where water had already been found.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: dehydration; refused; trekker; water
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To: Jack Black

Definitely worth considering. The guides knew the symptoms of heat exhaustion and/or dehydration and to deny water is a basic act of aggression. All the clap-trap about ‘going beyond your limits’ is pure BS. I send ‘em to the slammer for 5-10 and let them ‘go beyond their limits.’


41 posted on 05/07/2007 3:21:19 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Current tagline banned under hate speech laws.)
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To: MPJackal
“How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?”

That is an excellent question, and one that needs to be investigated before we hang the guides.

It was 10 hours on the second day without water. Investigation over.

42 posted on 05/07/2007 3:47:25 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Caesar - he is a barbarian and considers that the customs of his tribe are the laws of Nature")
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To: gidget7; LibWhacker
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

According to the coroner's report, he died from "dehydration and electrolyte imbalance....

Hyponatremia, low sodium, as well as dehydration, is a concern in conditions of strenuous, prolonged exercise. I always carried water, salt tablets and a snake-bite kit when hiking, both as a kid in Alabama or as an adult in the southwest deserts, though I hadn't heard of hyponatremia until the woman died in the Boston Marathon a couple of years ago.
43 posted on 05/07/2007 3:56:31 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Jack Black
The man had classic symptoms of heat stroke. Once it comes on, you can’t self treat. Your thinking is too disordered to do that. You have to have outside assistance.

During my tour with a Marine infantry battalion in Vietnam, heat prostration was the most frequent return to duty (RTD) casualty we had. We didn’t have heat stroke because we would stop and treat the casualty properly. (Believe me, the VC and NVA were somehow still around when we started out after them again.) Fortunately, there was plenty of water and shade (the key ingredients required for treatment) available.

Even if he signed a waiver, the fact that he did can’t be used to cancel out basic protections of law. One of these protections is the right to receive emergency assistance when injured or sick. Had the deceased fallen down and broken his ankle, would the guides have insisted that he set it himself and continue with the day’s activity? They denied basic medical assistance (which they were probably well trained to provide) to a person showing signs of a severe medical condition. It really doesn't matter what was causing it. Heat stroke is not some imaginary disease arising out of a lack of willpower. Once he had medically diagnosable symptoms, a duty to assist was created. If they claim they weren't qualified or able, the school and the instructors were criminally and civilly liable for the hazard they created for their students and failed to protect them against.

The sheriff needs to talk to the county prosecutor on this one. (Or talk to him again.) I hope the parents’ attorney talks to state attorney general just to ensure favoritism isn’t being displayed by the county towards the school.

I think you are right about the ultimate outcome. They (and their insurance company) will probably lose their a**es on this one and deservedly so. Whether or not they will serve time, I don't know.

44 posted on 05/07/2007 4:23:11 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: SF Republican

“This guys family will bankrupt the group and the owners and guides should be tried for manslaughter.”

That’ll assuage their grief, and surely bring him back to life. It’s good to know so many Freepers have endorsed the gotcha victimology of the Leftists. And before you flame away, count what is the majority sentiment on the tread, the one that folks feel strong enough, that they just must type it out: REVENGE, PAYDAY, KA-CHING!


45 posted on 05/07/2007 4:25:05 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: Let's Roll
Utah in the mid-western US

It's a British publication. To them, this means the middle of the Western U.S., which is where Utah is.

46 posted on 05/07/2007 4:28:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I know it’s a British publication - sort of - Pravda West would be more accurate.


47 posted on 05/07/2007 4:35:11 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Cecily

“They could only drink when they found water, but not fill water bottles or canteens.”

If this is true, whoever came up with it needs to have his head examined. The NUMBER ONE RULE when doing anything in hot and/or humid conditions is have water and DRINK water BEFORE you are thirsty. Good Lord how can anyone be so stupid?

The human body needs water when it needs water. You can’t “will” yourself to continue without it.

This is just outrageous.


48 posted on 05/07/2007 4:36:40 PM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: Let's Roll

I’m aware of the Guardian’s political slant, but this story looks pretty accurate compared with other sources. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day . . .


49 posted on 05/07/2007 4:49:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: JusPasenThru

” He probably never looked so angelic in his life as when he was dying of thirst.’

I really doubt it. Now, if he had had pudding instead of brain mass, he might have.


50 posted on 05/07/2007 4:50:24 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gidget7

They didn’t mention altitude or wind. My son spent 4 hours outside in Wyoming on a hot, dry, windy day, and was in the hospital 2 hours later.


51 posted on 05/07/2007 8:51:16 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: Harrius Magnus
It’s good to know so many Freepers have endorsed the gotcha victimology of the Leftists. And before you flame away, count what is the majority sentiment on the tread, the one that folks feel strong enough, that they just must type it out

I don't consider punishing professionals for gross misconduct "gotcha victimology". Many things entail risk, and people are free to risk their lives - whether it is motorcycle racing or skydiving. But in this case they were taking training. The people who were training them had a moral responsibility towards them, which they utterly failed. Even then, if it was some super advance free climbing class, perhaps it there is an out.

That was not the case here. The instructors set up a course of study that directly resulted in this death. At a minimum enough law needs to be applied to these people to prevent them from ever teaching this way again.

52 posted on 05/07/2007 8:57:39 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Harrius Magnus
I seriously doubt it will help with their grief but what the guide did was irresponsible. I do not think the guy was a victim, but he was in the care of guides that allowed him, allowed him to die.
53 posted on 05/08/2007 8:07:37 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: SF Republican

My argument is that even amongst Conservatives, the reflex is to howl at whomever is “responsible.” I don’t see a big difference between this and how the Left treats a soldier’s death in Iraq by instantly deriding our President. You would agree, there is much more to consider in both cases than A implies B?


54 posted on 05/08/2007 8:59:09 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: Cecily
The hikers also were not allowed to carry water with them.

If the "hikers" were stupid enough to sign up for THIS, then maybe they got what was coming to them. What happened to PERSONAL responsibility?

55 posted on 05/08/2007 9:03:40 AM PDT by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: Harrius Magnus
My argument is that even amongst Conservatives, the reflex is to howl at whomever is “responsible.” Well ya, do you think people should not be responsible for their actions? These people let that guy die and you feel they are not responsible?
56 posted on 05/08/2007 9:32:03 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Harrius Magnus
I don’t see a big difference between this and how the Left treats a soldier’s death in Iraq by instantly deriding our President. - He IS responsible for their deaths. As he is Commander in Chief and they are soldiers, I see a big difference.
57 posted on 05/08/2007 9:34:02 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: LibWhacker

for an instant I thought the headline referred to a star trek fan at a convention. (ok not really but almost)


58 posted on 05/08/2007 9:45:12 AM PDT by isom35
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To: SF Republican

I think that you and I are talking about two entirely different things. No harm, no foul.


59 posted on 05/08/2007 12:15:29 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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