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Lawmakers to weigh ending death penalty
NorthJersey.com ^ | 05.07.07 | TOM HESTER Jr.

Posted on 05/07/2007 2:09:16 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: Coleus

The only reason the death penalty has become so expensive to the taxpayers is liberal judges and lawyers.

It costs a small fortune to imprison someone for a lifetime. Putting a really bad killer to death SHOULD be much cheaper. It only costs more because you inevitably end up housing murderers for 10, 15, or 20 years while they go through the appeal process, with public defenders who are subsidized on the taxpayer’s dime.

In an earlier time in America, before the liberals took charge, the process was far cheaper and more expeditious.


21 posted on 05/07/2007 2:59:06 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Sleeping Beauty
It's not murder, it's a permanently deterring solution for the crime of capital murder.

There's a post today about a 78 year-old murderer that served twenty years for killing wife #1 and wife #2.

Guess what? He killed wife #3, and accidentally himself, when he tried to use arson to cover the killings (I think he killed another person)

There was one last week. Convicted murderer gets released, only to kill again.

22 posted on 05/07/2007 3:05:15 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Cymbaline
It's not murder, it's justice.... It's exactly the practice for a Christian nation.

"Vengeance is Mine, Saith the Lord."

(Although I think that was written pre-Christianity. The rules for Christians may be different.)

23 posted on 05/07/2007 3:05:20 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Sleeping Beauty

No, I’m pretty sure the rules for Christians are the same. But that still doesn’t invalidate capital punishment. So should we not even punish criminals at all then, if vengeance belongs to the Lord?


24 posted on 05/07/2007 3:29:28 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Calvin Locke

Bingo! Can the opponents of capital punishment point to a single case, even one, where it was proven that a convict was innocent after he was executed by mistake? Compare that to the veritable rivers of blood shed by people who were released from prison.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 3:35:30 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

Go back to sleep dear.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 3:53:26 PM PDT by Postman
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To: Cymbaline

Of course we punish them. Lock them away. Never release them for any reason.


27 posted on 05/07/2007 3:57:48 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: Coleus
The state has nine men on death row, but hasn't executed anyone since 1963.

Slow day at the office for these NJ legislators.

28 posted on 05/07/2007 4:00:32 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cymbaline; livius

Thank you for your reasoned responses.


29 posted on 05/07/2007 4:04:05 PM PDT by buckalfa
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To: buckalfa; Cymbaline; livius; MattinNJ

In NJ there are no prosecutors who have to showboat for re-election; the prosecutors are appointed by the Governor with approval from the local state senator ( I think it’s for a 5-yr. term). No elections or grandstanding. Some NJ prosecutors work behind the scenes and are not in the papers until a reporter contacts them.


30 posted on 05/07/2007 4:11:50 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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To: pandoraou812

The very last thing that any of the current crop of legislators want is your opinion on anything. Why? Because they have an agenda that is not what anyone wants - certainly not a “fully informed” taxpayer. Oh, they’ll go through the motions, to give the illusion of public participation and input.

Clearly, when so many falsehoods, sophistry and logical errors can be condensed in just a few sentences - e.g. “The fact is...”; be very afraid.


31 posted on 05/07/2007 4:25:14 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: SoldierDad

That is the one problem with the death penalty. It’s easy to just forget about the murderer if he’s in prison forever. But, with the death penalty he gets way too much attention.


32 posted on 05/07/2007 4:39:43 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Cymbaline

There was a FBi report written years ago, that had studied wrongful convictions that lead to the death penalty. They had concluded at least 20 innocent men had gone to the gallows. I can’t cite this, but I did first read the report from a FR post.


33 posted on 05/07/2007 5:06:54 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: HungarianGypsy
That problem would be solved if murders were actually executed in a timely fashion instead of being on Death Row for 20+ years and becoming media celebrities. For example Mumia Abu Jamal, Tookie, etc.

In fact I think that's true of many of the problems people have with the death penalty. Some of them have been cited here; i.e. It takes too long, it's more expensive than life without parole, the endless appeals, it's not a deterrent, etc. If murderers were actually executed in a timely fasion, these problems wouldn't exist. It would be cheaper, it wouldn't clog up the legal system, liberals wouldn't be able to make political hay out of their execution, and who knows but that it might actually become a deterrent.

The one that gets me the most is where liberals complain that it's not a deterrent and that it's too costly. Who's complaining that it's too costly? The liberals. Who's making it too costly? The liberals.

34 posted on 05/07/2007 5:12:45 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: JerseyHighlander
There was a FBi report written years ago, that had studied wrongful convictions that lead to the death penalty. They had concluded at least 20 innocent men had gone to the gallows. I can’t cite this, but I did first read the report from a FR post.

I'd be interested to see that report. It is unfortunate, and it underscores the need to make sure that innocent men aren't executed, but I bet if you counted the number of innocent victims killed by men who were supposed to be in prison for life and committed murders while on parole, the numbers would be staggeringly higher.

Years ago I heard Dennis Prager on his radio show give figures that stated that the average sentance given for murder in the U.S. was 11 years. Based on that, you could make the case that American society really doesn't think murder is that bad. Or at least, the American criminal justice system doesn't think so.

35 posted on 05/07/2007 5:17:01 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Cymbaline

I gotta admit, it’s strange debating capital punishment on FR. I’d have thought we all were of a like mind on the subject.


36 posted on 05/07/2007 5:18:20 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Freedom4US

I am ....But I sure don’t like it. ~P~


37 posted on 05/07/2007 5:36:31 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Cymbaline
How many of those supposedly innocent of that murder had committed other murders or other serious crimes?

My prisons would be all one person per cell;plain food,have the opportunity for some productive work that did not entail the acquiring of better criminal skills,and strictly censored reading ,limited entertainment,etc.Murderers could look forward to no movie or book deals and parole would be extremely difficult .

Corrupt prison guards could expect harsh sentences and there would have be a strong review board and inspector general who would thoroughly check the operations.

We really don't seriously attack violent crime,we just build criminal colleges.

38 posted on 05/07/2007 5:50:06 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: JerseyHighlander

I think that argument is a red-herring. Don’t let the perfect get in the way of the good, so to speak. We don’t demand perfection in any other avenue of life, it pains me to admit. Clearly the law has a long history of siding or erring on the side of caution (at least with any sort of tradition of civilization)

Clearly there are numerous cases beyond count, of known, admitted, convicted psychopaths to keep ole’ sparky busy.


39 posted on 05/07/2007 6:00:10 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: hoosierham

The “Joe Arpaio method”; put ‘em in tents in the desert, give them bologna to eat, and make ‘em wear pink prison jumpers!


40 posted on 05/07/2007 7:02:48 PM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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