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Britain's new stealth submarine will rule the oceans
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 10/05/2007 | Thomas Harding

Posted on 05/09/2007 10:10:52 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Navy's stealth submarine will rule the oceans

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent Last Updated: 2:06am BST 10/05/2007

A new £1.2 billion Royal Navy submarine which from the Channel is able to detect the QE2 cruise liner leaving New York harbour was unveiled yesterday.

The Astute, the first attack submarine to be built in almost two decades, is the "most stealthy in the world" and will put the Navy at the "top of the premiership", commanders said.

At a time when morale is suffering, the launch next month of the Navy's biggest ever hunter-killer submarine will also give hope that Service can provide considerable punch anywhere in the world.

With threats in the next decade more likely to come from Islamic terrorism the submarine will be able to sit off coasts undetected listening in to mobile phone conversations.

It also has the ability to insert Special Forces by mini submersibles into enemy territory where they can direct the boat's deadly Tomahawk missiles with a range of 1,400 miles.

"It will feel like we have won the premiership when the Astute is handed over to the Navy. We will become the Manchester United of submarine nations," Capt Mike Davis-Marks, a submariner for 25 years, told the first journalists allowed on board the boat yesterday.

Three of the Astute-class boats will be built by BAE Systems for £3.6 billion but the project is £750 million over budget and three years late.

The boat has more than double the armoury of the Trafalgar class it is replacing, and is able to carry 38 Tomahawk cruise missiles with a range of 1,400 miles and Spearfish torpedo capable of destroying a warship.

If it could find a way of being self-sufficient in food, the submarine, theoretically, could remain submerged for 35 years as its nuclear reactor does not need refuelling and it can produce drinkable water by an onboard desalination plant.

But life for the 98 crew has only improved to the point that the submariners have a tiny bunk space each, rather than sharing, and can now watch films on a plasma television.

The Astute will carry the latest Block 4 Tomahawk smart missile that can loiter over a target and can be reprogrammed in mid-flight by commanders.

"It can also find out what is going on and report back to op commanders without anyone knowing we have been there," said Capt Davis-Marks "Because of its covert nature the politicians like them as you can up the ante when you want or withdraw without anyone knowing you have been there."

At 7,200 tonnes the Astute is the biggest British nuclear attack submarine ever built, although it is half the size of the Trident nuclear submarines at 16,000 tonnes. It is also extremely quiet for its size, making less noise than a small whale, and is likely to be detected only by another British submarine.

It is also the first submarine not to have a conventional periscope. Instead a fibre optic tube - equipped with infra red and thermal imaging - pops above the surface for three seconds, does one rotation and then feeds an image in colour that can be studied at leisure.

The nuclear power plant has the acoustic signature of a torch battery and is the size of a family car.

The submarine has been built at the BAE systems facility in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria, where Navy submarines have been made since 1901.

It is due to enter into active service late next year.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: astute; royalnavy; submarine; uk

1 posted on 05/09/2007 10:10:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sounds good. Maybe we can get some stealth submarines ourselves. As they say - beg, borrow, or steal...


2 posted on 05/09/2007 10:14:46 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Irish Rose

Uncle Sam already has a few-the Seawolf & Virginia class-about 6 boats are in service,with plenty more to follow.


3 posted on 05/09/2007 10:17:44 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Irish Rose
Maybe we can get some stealth submarines ourselves...

You are assuming we don't already have them.

Here's a picture of 5 of our newest Stealth Subs

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4 posted on 05/09/2007 10:19:58 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I thought their new sub was going to be named Allah Ahkbar. What happened?


5 posted on 05/09/2007 10:23:20 PM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Irish Rose

6 posted on 05/09/2007 10:28:46 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: sukhoi-30mki

All weapons systems will be disabled by default...


7 posted on 05/09/2007 10:29:58 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The Royal Navy's Astute class submarine is a nuclear-powered attack submarine.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/astute/
8 posted on 05/09/2007 10:35:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

9 posted on 05/09/2007 10:36:01 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: sukhoi-30mki

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1830846/posts


10 posted on 05/09/2007 10:36:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Eye of Unk

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/nssn.htm

Sorry my HTML sucks.


11 posted on 05/09/2007 10:37:54 PM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: sukhoi-30mki; txroadkill

The Brits say they have the stealthiest in the world. But I wouldn’t know if it’s true.


12 posted on 05/09/2007 10:39:40 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
>>> submarine which from the Channel is able to detect the QE2 cruise liner leaving New York harbour was unveiled yesterday.

BS. Way too much background noise, interference, loss, etc to do that. Even if it could,sound would be hours in transit, multiple paths, convergence zones, etc. etc. .

BS

14 posted on 05/09/2007 10:43:03 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in Vietnam meant never having to say I was sorry......)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

God help them if that thing runs like a Land Rover. It will be in drydock more than out patrolling the oceans.


15 posted on 05/09/2007 11:23:14 PM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: MindBender26
Let me add to that-


16 posted on 05/09/2007 11:27:02 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Calling illegal aliens undocumented workers is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
A new £1.2 billion Royal Navy submarine which from the Channel is able to detect the QE2 cruise liner leaving New York harbour was unveiled yesterday.

What a shame the 'Astute' couldn't have been launched a few months ago, they would have been able to watch those sailors from the Cornwallis being taken prisoner by the Iranians!

As brilliant and innovative a vessel as the Astute may be, without the national will to use it when confronted by enemies, bandits and terrorists, it may as well be a lone buoy floating in the harbour.
17 posted on 05/09/2007 11:31:49 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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18 posted on 05/09/2007 11:34:29 PM PDT by Hell to pay
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To: srotaG adirolF
God help them if that thing runs like a Land Rover. It will be in drydock more than out patrolling the oceans

They will be okay as long as they do not have Lights by "Lucas" also known as THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS.

19 posted on 05/09/2007 11:46:16 PM PDT by cpdiii (Pharmacist, Pilot, Geologist, Oil Field Trash and proud of it.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Aren’t the Ohio Class more than adequate for what we need? Each one has enough firepower to turn the entire middle easst into glass.


20 posted on 05/09/2007 11:51:22 PM PDT by LukeL (Never let the enemy pick the battle site. (Gen. George S. Patton))
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To: LukeL

How often are Trident missiles used in war??


21 posted on 05/10/2007 12:04:31 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
How often are Trident missiles used in war??

Once.
22 posted on 05/10/2007 12:18:34 AM PDT by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: carumba

Over 60 years ago when one nation alone had them.


23 posted on 05/10/2007 12:26:29 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Hell to pay

That’s not right, no....

Good one, LOL


24 posted on 05/10/2007 12:28:30 AM PDT by Greystoke
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To: sukhoi-30mki
It would be interesting to see how she stacks up against Seawolf, and Virginia class. Probably more comparable to Virginia- Seawolf was so over the top powerful and expensive we could only afford a couple. I don’t think Britain could field anything as expensive, especially with all the cuts the Royal Navy has been taking.
25 posted on 05/10/2007 12:35:52 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: miliantnutcase

One thing neat about the Astute(& the SeaWolf) are the number of their torpedo tubes.The Virginias have only 4,while the Astutes have 6 & Seawolf’s have 8.Nothing to get worked up about,but the latter 2 boats would have a better salvo launch capability for torpedoes.Comes in handy while taking out China’s aircraft carriers!!


26 posted on 05/10/2007 12:42:21 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: confederatetrappedinmidwest; neodad
that is the French sub...

Yeah, couldn't you tell by the window dressings on the screen door?


27 posted on 05/10/2007 1:56:11 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: neodad

‘I thought their new sub was going to be named Allah Ahkbar. What happened?’

Your dem govt told us it didn’t fit in with their renaming plans for the US Navy after they surrender in Iraq so we changed it. . . . . .


28 posted on 05/10/2007 2:27:01 AM PDT by britemp
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To: srotaG adirolF

‘God help them if that thing runs like a Land Rover.’

No, they’re bulit by Ford, the subs aren’t. . . . .


29 posted on 05/10/2007 2:28:24 AM PDT by britemp
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Lots of comments on The Royal Navy's willingness or ability to deploy submarines in an aggressive way

Perhaps we should ask the Argentinian Navy?

30 posted on 05/10/2007 2:44:35 AM PDT by weegie
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The nuclear power plant has the acoustic signature of a torch battery and is the size of a family car.

Sweet Lord.

31 posted on 05/10/2007 4:25:35 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: sukhoi-30mki

IIRC the German dolphin class has the same brand of ultra-stealth - but of course is non-nuclear.


32 posted on 05/10/2007 4:27:13 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Notice the ‘notch’ in the hull just in front of the sail.
Directs water around the sail? From seeing subs on the surface, water across the deck may be directed away from the sail. But subs are designed for underwater. Curious.

Also the hull shape, faceted. Similar to an F-117.

The lack of a propeller, interesting.
Reminds me of the Red October from Tom Clancy’s book.
It had a revolutionary propulsion system that took in water similar to a jet engine and exhausted it for propulsion.
IIRC the US Navy referred to it as a ‘tractor drive’, very quiet.


33 posted on 05/10/2007 4:56:36 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is nice, they will have another boat to add to their fleet of 22 ships.


34 posted on 05/10/2007 4:59:33 AM PDT by freemike
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just curious, will Britian share this technology with us or must we hire a spy to steal it?


35 posted on 05/10/2007 5:24:05 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50 coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: britemp
Your dem govt told us it didn’t fit in with their renaming plans for the US Navy after they surrender in Iraq so we changed it. . . . . .

will put the Navy at the "top of the premiership"

Good one. BTW did Man U already win the regular season?

36 posted on 05/10/2007 5:52:38 AM PDT by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: agere_contra

The German U-212 class are probably more silent with their
fuel cells given that the Astutes & Virginia’s still use traditional reactors.The U-boats are far more slow& carry less weapons though.


37 posted on 05/10/2007 6:05:28 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sergeantdave

I don’t know what’s so special about this Brit boat that it’s US counterparts don’t or won’t have!!


38 posted on 05/10/2007 6:06:51 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The nuclear power plant has the acoustic signature of a torch battery and is the size of a family car.

I would like to have one of those!

39 posted on 05/10/2007 6:30:55 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: srotaG adirolF
God help them if that thing runs like a Land Rover.

Land Rover is a Ford product.

40 posted on 05/10/2007 6:33:27 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: freemike
their fleet of 22 ships

Not quite right. The number is actually 87.

41 posted on 05/10/2007 7:10:01 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: freemike
...or 88 if you include HMS Victory
42 posted on 05/10/2007 7:14:11 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Colorado Doug
God help them if that thing runs like a Land Rover. Land Rover is a Ford product. It may be a Ford product but it's built by the British (which Jeremey Clarkson of the British car show Top Gear proudly boasts) That thing hasn't met a autoshop it didn't like.
43 posted on 05/10/2007 8:53:26 AM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sure are a lot of threads for a Stealth Secret project.


44 posted on 05/10/2007 8:54:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale
"Britain's new stealth submarine will rule the oceans "

That's as opposed to Canadians subs, which RUE the oceans...

45 posted on 05/10/2007 12:19:16 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Winniesboy

http://pytheasonline.blogspot.com/2006_12_31_archive.html

You might want to check out this link. Britain is mothballing half of it’s fleet. last reported, according to this sight, at 44 warships.


46 posted on 05/10/2007 3:27:38 PM PDT by freemike
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To: srotaG adirolF

I have not had any real problems with my Range Rover.


47 posted on 05/10/2007 7:19:12 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: Vinnie

Excuse my early mornin spelling but I believe the term used also is “electromagnetohydraulic” or in Tom Clancys novel it was a caterpiller drive.


48 posted on 05/11/2007 5:51:07 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Eye of Unk

You may be right. It’s been a long time since I read the book.


49 posted on 05/11/2007 7:51:16 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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