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1 posted on 05/10/2007 11:59:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Darwin and God go together like day and night. You can’t believe both God and Darwin, you are either a believer or an atheist.


2 posted on 05/11/2007 12:27:27 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t like the phrase “believe in _____”. I’d prefer “believe that ____”

That said, I plead with you, my Republican friends in the struggle for free markets and limited government, I plead with you to educate your base so they stop making us all look silly by association.

I know it’s not polite to tell people that they’re wrong to think the earth is less than 10,000 years old, and it’s even worse to tell their kids, but you’ve got to do it. It’s either tough love or the Republican party is going to be the joke of the 21st century.


3 posted on 05/11/2007 12:31:37 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: neverdem

I do know that I would never vote for someone who publicly acknowledged belief in Creationism or ID. Electing irrational people is not rational.


6 posted on 05/11/2007 12:51:12 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: neverdem
I believe in devolution and evolution. Adam and Eve were in God’s image before they fell. Now we are all in the image and likeness of fallen Adam and Eve, with sin, sickness, disease, and death in our corrupt nature. Anybody who tells you they are in God’s image and likeness is either ignorant or deceived. Only Jesus is currently in God’s image and likeness. But Jesus is only the first among many brethren. When we return to our original pre-fallen state, then we will be exactly as Christ is now, in His image and likeness. If that’s what you me by evolution, then I believe in evolution.

Romans 8
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

8 posted on 05/11/2007 12:59:27 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: neverdem

Kudos to Huckabee, Brownback, and Tancredo for being brave enough to declare that they don’t believe in [Macro]evolution.


12 posted on 05/11/2007 1:43:22 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: neverdem; editor-surveyor; DaveLoneRanger

ping.


20 posted on 05/11/2007 2:12:32 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: neverdem
These are the questions that (still) trouble men's souls.

No,madame, you are wrong. The type of questions that trouble men's souls are of a far more personal nature, i.e. waking up in the middle of the night and wondering if that burning sensation in your chest is either indigestion or a heart attack.

A presidential candidate's view on Darwin is way, way down on the list.

23 posted on 05/11/2007 4:52:25 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: neverdem
They were put in an impossible situation. Asked to raise their hands for a question, they had no chance to explain their answer, or to ridicule the question. They simply had to chose whether, in that context, a hand raised for no was a “better” answer than not.

I probably wouldn’t have raised my hand, because I “believe” evolution, the scientific theory about how things can change, even though I don’t believe in the historical reconstruction of the origin of life, which is more detective work than imperical science.

McCain was "lucky" because he got to answer the question. I wonder if Duncan Hunter is feeling lucky right now that he didn't raise his hand?

34 posted on 05/11/2007 6:41:08 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: neverdem
It was the stupidest question of the whole debate, because it requires more than a yes or no answer. Even the most devout evangelicals will agree that animals have adapted over time to their environment, a level of evolution, but that in no way proves one species evolved into another - ape to man, fish to buffalo.

By any of them raising a hand implies to the non-thinker that they do not believe in God. By not raising their hand implies they believe the dog today looks and acts exactly like the dogs on Noah’s Ark.

39 posted on 05/11/2007 8:05:37 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: neverdem
But what about a president who doesn't believe in Darwin? And are Darwin and God mutually exclusive?

Yes

42 posted on 05/11/2007 8:21:23 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: neverdem

This question was important? It was idiotic. Who cares?


56 posted on 05/11/2007 3:28:38 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: neverdem
“Belief in Darwinism” places the argument in terms of faith.

You can only find the Theory of Evolution credible or not credible based on evidence.

If belief in Darwinism came before belief in God this world would be a terrible place.

It would be normal for the strong to prey on the weak, It would be normal for step fathers to murder their new love interest’s children, It would be normal to eliminate the weak, handicapped, deformed and different...

Rape would be normal, incest would be normal,

There would be no medicine, no art, no music, no literature.

Without God individual humans are as expendable as individual gnus..

60 posted on 05/11/2007 3:37:56 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: neverdem
Microevolution and macroevolution can't be properly distilled in this space, but broadly speaking, micro allows for the possibility of a creator.

So why wouldn't macro? Macroevolution is just evolution above the species level. It no more rules out a creator than does quantum physics.

74 posted on 05/11/2007 8:09:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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