Fuels Rush In (Biofuels May Cause More Pollution)

Investor's Business Daily ^ | May 2, 2007

[Red Badger]

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[P-40]

forests in Asia have been burned to clear land for palm oil

It sounds like a land management problem, not a biofuels one. I remember the exact same arguments used against fast food. Seems the need for cheap beef was destroying the rain forests...or so they said.

[P-40]

There is a protective tariff at 51 cents/gallon.

That is for non-CBI countries, namely Brazil.

[P-40]

That was a very good post.

[greasepaint]

to post 18

the liquid fuel burned to produce
the ethanol with the equivalent energy
of ONE gallon of petroleum.

is ONE-TENTH of a gallon.

that cuts the ragheads out of the deal.

[JustDoItAlways]

The 2.0 billion tons of CO2 produced by the Palm Oil industry each year would be equal to the emissions from ALL passenger cars world-wide each year.

The greenies are so bad at basic math. It is part of the reason they are green. They are emotional thinkers rather than logical thinkers.

[Mr. Lucky]

You’re confused about crop subsidies.

[Battle Axe]

All energy comes or came from at one time.....gasp.....THE SUN.

I think there are other types of energy that come from the sun.

[sportutegrl]

the domestc ethanol is subsidized, but the imported ethanol is taxed, so they don’t cancel each other out, rather they both benefit adm at the expense of american consumer/taxpayers.

[Holicheese]

“The study found that 1.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide go up in smoke every year from rain forest fires set to clear new land for biofuel plantations.”

I thought we had cut down all the rainforests already. That is what I was told by my teachers in 1984.

[Jacquerie]

I stick to my original point.

Anyone who thinks the feds should dictate how much ethanol is produced from a taxpayer subsidized crop, protected by tariffs, and subsidized by the gallon will also enjoy Hillarycare.

I am amazed that otherwise conservative Freepers have jumped on this purely politically driven scheme.

[P-40]

domestc ethanol is subsidized, but the imported ethanol is taxed

Domestic ethanol gets a tax cut while ethanol imported from a non-CBI country is subject to a tariff.

[ClaireSolt]

There are always trade offs and pros and cons. However, in this article, there is no frame of referance. Palm oil would be a godsend during an oil embargo, for instance. As for government, I remember when NTSA was in the hotseat over tires and rollovers, Clinton nominated a beautiful blonde to take over. Dr Kay Bailey later turned up as a terrorism expert on NBC. In reality, she was a psychiatrist. So much for expertise. In DC it is all psychobabble and spin.

[greasepaint]

what part about,
50 is kinda close to 51,
don’t you get?

[norton]

A very well presented discussion.

Thanks.

Now, if you could just punch it up a little bit, with some illegible charts, rants, insulting terms for any opposition, obvious red herrings, quotes from some film celebs instead of a real researcher...maybe a politician or two would listen.

Maybe.

[Holicheese]

Clinton nominated a hot blond...No way.

[Mr. Lucky]

You can scream it all you want, but corn isn’t a “subsidized” crop. The market price of corn exceeds FSA target prices.

[Jacquerie]

It defies common sense that so many otherwise conservative freepers who rightly spew against the minimum wage, CAFE mileage standards, social insecurity, welfare, hurricane flood insurance, and yet support ethanol diktats worthy of the old USSR.

Ethanol make greenies of all political parties feel good. The program fleeces the taxpayer, it gouges the consumer and ultimately will have little to no positive effect on our energy independence.

[Jacquerie]

“The market price of corn exceeds FSA target prices.”

Okay, but more accurately, it exceeds government welfare prices for farmers.

[Mr. Lucky]

That’s fine, but because the market price of corn exceeds government target prices, corn growers don’t receive welfare. Much as, I suppose, because you have a job which exceeds minimum income standards you don’t receive welfare either.