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Fuels Rush In (Biofuels May Cause More Pollution)
Investor's Business Daily ^ | May 2, 2007

Posted on 05/14/2007 2:16:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Climate Change: A Danish commission looks at the negative effect of biofuels on the environment as a new study shows ethanol use may actually increase pollution. The Kyoto deal is full of unintended consequences.

The recently formed Cramer Commission, named after Dutch Environment Minister Jacqueline Cramer, who chaired it before entering the cabinet, was formed to develop ways to ensure that crops used to create biofuels as replacements for oil and gas don't do more harm than good.

It seems that in the rush to develop these alternative fuels, forests in Asia have been burned to clear land for palm oil along with large swaths of the Amazon rain forest being stripped of diverse vegetation for soy and sugar plantations used to produce the raw material for making ethanol.

The commission's fears are justified.

Marcel Silvius, a climate expert at Wetlands International in the Netherlands, recently led a team that compared the benefits of palm oil to the ecological harm from clearing virgin Asian rain forests for new plantations.

He concluded that as a fuel palm oil was more like snake oil, noting: "As a biofuel, it's a failure."

Palm oil's attractiveness is that it is relatively cheap and can be used in existing power stations. It is even said to be, to use Al Gore's favorite phrase, "carbon-neutral," in that it absorbs as much carbon dioxide during growth as it emits when burned as fuel.

Certainly the European Union likes it, with palm oil consumption fueled by subsidies in many EU member states. EU imports have risen 65% since 2002.

The four-year study in Indonesia and Malaysia, where 85% of commercial palm oil is grown, by a team from Wetlands, Delft Hydraulics and the Alterra Research Center of Wageningen University, details the environmental harm caused by the use of palm oil as an alternative energy source.

The study found that 1.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide go up in smoke every year from rain forest fires set to clear new land for biofuel plantations.

Another 600 million tons seeps into the air from drained peat swamps. That 2 billion tons of CO2 constitutes 8% of the earth's total fossil fuel emissions.

In the U.S., the alternative fuel du jour is ethanol. It can be made from corn or sugar or perhaps even wood chips and leftover copies of the New York Times. But here too there are consequences to its use that may exceed any benefits.

We already know that ethanol consumes more energy in its manufacture than it produces when consumed, that it is difficult to transport and evaporates easily.

We also know that using virtually all available land to produce an ethanol crop like corn would make only a small dent in our energy mix, and that by competing with crops grown for food, raises food costs.

A study just published by Mark Jacobson, a Stanford University civil and environmental engineering professor, in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Science and Technology, adds another consequence — that 200 more people would die each year from respiratory problems if all U.S. cars ran on ethanol.

Most of these additional deaths would occur in, surprise, Los Angeles.

According to Jacobson, ethanol actually produces more hydrocarbons than gasoline and less nitrogen oxide. Ethanol produces longer-lasting chemicals that eventually turn into hydrocarbons spread over a larger area.

The actual science is complicated but in an area like L.A. when nitrogen oxide reach a certain level, it actually begins eating up some of the ozone. So less is bad, not good.

The first rule of environmentalism, like medicine, should be to do no harm. Or to put it in terms the greenies understand, are they destroying the earth in order to save it?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: algore; biodiesel; biofuels; brazil; carboncredits; carbonfootprint; carbonneutral; disease; energy; ethanol; europeanunion; globalscam; globalwarming; illness; medicine; nofreelunch; religionofgore; respiratoryproblems; southamerica
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; sully777; Fierce Allegiance; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.......

If you want on or off the DIESEL "KnOcK" LIST just FReepmail me........

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days......

21 posted on 05/14/2007 5:18:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: greasepaint
forests in Asia have been burned to clear land for palm oil

It sounds like a land management problem, not a biofuels one. I remember the exact same arguments used against fast food. Seems the need for cheap beef was destroying the rain forests...or so they said.
22 posted on 05/14/2007 5:38:38 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Jacquerie
There is a protective tariff at 51 cents/gallon.

That is for non-CBI countries, namely Brazil.
23 posted on 05/14/2007 5:40:02 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: sittnick

That was a very good post.


24 posted on 05/14/2007 5:44:35 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Jacquerie

to post 18

the liquid fuel burned to produce
the ethanol with the equivalent energy
of ONE gallon of petroleum.

is ONE-TENTH of a gallon.

that cuts the ragheads out of the deal.


25 posted on 05/14/2007 5:59:24 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The 2.0 billion tons of CO2 produced by the Palm Oil industry each year would be equal to the emissions from ALL passenger cars world-wide each year.

The greenies are so bad at basic math. It is part of the reason they are green. They are emotional thinkers rather than logical thinkers.


26 posted on 05/14/2007 6:14:05 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Jacquerie

You’re confused about crop subsidies.


27 posted on 05/14/2007 6:15:46 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Leisler

All energy comes or came from at one time.....gasp.....THE SUN.

I think there are other types of energy that come from the sun.


28 posted on 05/14/2007 6:45:09 AM PDT by Battle Axe (Repent for the coming of the Lord is nigh!)
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To: greasepaint

the domestc ethanol is subsidized, but the imported ethanol is taxed, so they don’t cancel each other out, rather they both benefit adm at the expense of american consumer/taxpayers.


29 posted on 05/14/2007 7:16:12 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran)
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To: Darkwolf377

“The study found that 1.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide go up in smoke every year from rain forest fires set to clear new land for biofuel plantations.”

I thought we had cut down all the rainforests already. That is what I was told by my teachers in 1984.


30 posted on 05/14/2007 7:33:42 AM PDT by Holicheese (I love shrimp and grits.)
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To: greasepaint
I stick to my original point.

Anyone who thinks the feds should dictate how much ethanol is produced from a taxpayer subsidized crop, protected by tariffs, and subsidized by the gallon will also enjoy Hillarycare.

I am amazed that otherwise conservative Freepers have jumped on this purely politically driven scheme.

31 posted on 05/14/2007 7:45:41 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Scotus - Buggering the Constitution since 1937.)
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To: sportutegrl
domestc ethanol is subsidized, but the imported ethanol is taxed

Domestic ethanol gets a tax cut while ethanol imported from a non-CBI country is subject to a tariff.
32 posted on 05/14/2007 7:53:04 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Holicheese

There are always trade offs and pros and cons. However, in this article, there is no frame of referance. Palm oil would be a godsend during an oil embargo, for instance. As for government, I remember when NTSA was in the hotseat over tires and rollovers, Clinton nominated a beautiful blonde to take over. Dr Kay Bailey later turned up as a terrorism expert on NBC. In reality, she was a psychiatrist. So much for expertise. In DC it is all psychobabble and spin.


33 posted on 05/14/2007 7:55:55 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: sportutegrl

what part about,
50 is kinda close to 51,
don’t you get?


34 posted on 05/14/2007 7:57:49 AM PDT by greasepaint
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To: sittnick
A very well presented discussion.

Thanks.

Now, if you could just punch it up a little bit, with some illegible charts, rants, insulting terms for any opposition, obvious red herrings, quotes from some film celebs instead of a real researcher...maybe a politician or two would listen.

Maybe.

35 posted on 05/14/2007 8:05:25 AM PDT by norton
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To: ClaireSolt

Clinton nominated a hot blond...No way.


36 posted on 05/14/2007 8:14:46 AM PDT by Holicheese (I love shrimp and grits.)
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To: Jacquerie

You can scream it all you want, but corn isn’t a “subsidized” crop. The market price of corn exceeds FSA target prices.


37 posted on 05/14/2007 8:28:58 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
It defies common sense that so many otherwise conservative freepers who rightly spew against the minimum wage, CAFE mileage standards, social insecurity, welfare, hurricane flood insurance, and yet support ethanol diktats worthy of the old USSR.

Ethanol make greenies of all political parties feel good. The program fleeces the taxpayer, it gouges the consumer and ultimately will have little to no positive effect on our energy independence.

38 posted on 05/14/2007 1:42:36 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Scotus - Buggering the Constitution since 1937.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
“The market price of corn exceeds FSA target prices.”

Okay, but more accurately, it exceeds government welfare prices for farmers.

39 posted on 05/14/2007 1:47:00 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Scotus - Buggering the Constitution since 1937.)
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To: Jacquerie

That’s fine, but because the market price of corn exceeds government target prices, corn growers don’t receive welfare. Much as, I suppose, because you have a job which exceeds minimum income standards you don’t receive welfare either.


40 posted on 05/14/2007 1:57:44 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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