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US conservatives block cancer vaccine for girls [Public health experts also divided]
newscientist.com ^ | 5-14-2007 | Jim Giles

Posted on 05/14/2007 9:15:48 AM PDT by bedolido

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To: muawiyah
This particular vaccine encourages promiscuous sexual behavior no more than do the condoms and vaginal suppositories on display in grocery stores nationwide.

Lost knowledge. Before birth control pills and the rest, only bad girls had unmarried sex and they were usually pregnant then married forthwith.

21 posted on 05/14/2007 10:17:39 AM PDT by donna (Men are the new women.)
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To: AmericaUnited
If it's not given to virgins, there's not much point in giving it at all. The STD that causes cervical cancer is highly prevalent in all adults, and is benign to the male carriers. Men won't have to have the vaccine, obviously, because they do not get cervical cancer. But they're going to cause it in a lot of women.

But--they're your daughters. I find the resistance hysterical. It is not tantamount to passing out condoms--it's a preparation for the likelihood that a young woman, virgin bride or no, is going to encounter an infected male.

22 posted on 05/14/2007 10:19:50 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: TexasPatriot8; RexBeach

(OT)Hey, freepmail... about that thread 60 Taliban heading into Texas? That got pulled? What was that all about?


23 posted on 05/14/2007 10:23:00 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: bedolido
Isn’t this the $318 per pop vaccine? Some lobbyist and some drug company is making a lot of money because the government (meaning we people that work and pay taxes) are footing the bill.
24 posted on 05/14/2007 10:25:00 AM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: Caesar Soze
So, new information I hadn't seen from Merck. Let's see what the response is.

Still, wouldn't be the last vaccine to loose potency over time, and given the genetic variability in this country one would suppose they've tracked a scientifically selected and stratified sample of 1,000 or more girls, right?

However, if the purpose is to protect girls who are going to fall into the category of those who attempt to defy statistics, we'd certainly want them vaccinated at the correct age, and as many times thereafter as possible ~ weekly if need be.

None of this justifies forced vaccination though. It's not like the girls are going to be spreading measles with their mere presence eh.

25 posted on 05/14/2007 10:26:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mamzelle

Men don’t get cervical cancer, but they do get adult-onset RRP, head and neck cancer, penile cancer, anal cancer, mouth and throat cancer, and genital warts. And they can pass this lovely virus to their wives, and their unborn children. HPV is not “benign” to anyone.


26 posted on 05/14/2007 10:27:44 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Mamzelle
What's hysterical is the fact that this vaccine only protects girls from a sexually transmitted disease that they would NEVER GET if they weren't having unprotected sex, when they're too young to be having sex IN THE FIRST PLACE! If you can't see that, and how unaccecptable that parents are being given no choice, as in many states it's being FORCED on kids, with NO parental concent, then you're beyond rationality.

This vaccine is nothing more than window dressing for the liberal lack of morals and personal responsibility that has been destroying this country for the past 50 years. If girls were abstinant there is a 100% chance they would never get the virus. Period. This virus is nothing more than a liberal version of abstinance to avoid that kind of cancer, which ONLY comes from sexual activity. And if you think that girls under the age of 14 should be getting it then you're kinda sick. It protects against no other STDs and it's perverse that girls that age are being offered something like that, which does encourage sexual activity, when it's not even known if the vaccine will do damage to such young girls. The fact that people are even arguing in favor of this anti-morality drug is obscene.

27 posted on 05/14/2007 10:28:14 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Issues don't matter, lies are ok, liberals are in control,& Conservative non-votes did it. Good job.)
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To: muawiyah
So, new information I hadn't seen from Merck. Let's see what the response is.

On this site? Anti-business, anti-innovation, anti-health propaganda from the haberdashers of tinfoil and, I am halfway certain, paid agents of GlaxoSmithKline. (Keeping my tinfoil handy.)

None of this justifies forced vaccination though. It's not like the girls are going to be spreading measles with their mere presence eh.

And it's not like anyone is "forcing" these vaccinations upon anyone. No one is holding a gun to parents' heads. Just a waiver -- and I'm sure the school will even provide the pen to sign it.

28 posted on 05/14/2007 10:32:14 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Mamzelle

Throat cancer


29 posted on 05/14/2007 10:32:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hoof Hearted

You can choose it for yourself but not me or mine, I won’t pay for this vaccine and you should not be so willing to either. This is not a cure all for cervical cancer, the claims are very misleading.


30 posted on 05/14/2007 10:33:06 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Mamzelle
The STD that causes cervical cancer is highly prevalent in all adults, and is benign to the male carriers. Men won't have to have the vaccine, obviously, because they do not get cervical cancer.

Human Papilloma Virus is associated with cervical cancer, vulvar and vaginal cancers, penile cancer, anal cancer and oropharyngeal cancer, particularly base of tongue and tonsils. This puts both sexes at risk.

31 posted on 05/14/2007 10:34:08 AM PDT by SC DOC
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To: bedolido

Wow, TWO outright lies in a single headline! The media are really outdoing themselves.


32 posted on 05/14/2007 10:35:37 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Caesar Soze
BTW, the article we are working from says that in four states people have objected to "mandatory" vaccination with this stuff, and that's why the writer is concerned and terrified about a right-wing conspiracy Papal interdict takeover of America with the NAFTA highway.

Even before this vaccine is widely available there do seem to be all too many demanding FORCED VACCINATIONS.

Makes me wonder what their interest is in all those little girls. After all, even though you might be a public health worker and have everyone's interest at heart, just what makes this "special" for little girls?

33 posted on 05/14/2007 10:37:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Caesar Soze

I’m waiting on the FDA response, not what folks here on this site might say ~ heck fire, they’ll say just about anything. FDA, although sometimes not lucid at all, is usually more circumspect.


34 posted on 05/14/2007 10:39:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hoof Hearted

Do you really think it is cheaper to vaccinate millions (at $360 a pop) than to treat the few thousand cases that arise? Do the math...
Latest CDC data shows about 11000 cases of cervical cancer annually. The cost of treatment has been estimated from $7000 - $24000 per woman. That is an annual cost of $264 million, at most.
Within the age group of 10-14, the census bureau reports approxmiately 10.6 million girls. Therefore, each year about 2.1 million girls would need to be vaccinated. That is a cost of $762 million.
We could treat all women (not just the poor) for one-third of the costs of the vaccine. Sorry, you can’t justify this on costs...


35 posted on 05/14/2007 10:40:05 AM PDT by 3Lean
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To: TexasPatriot8

Sex is a fact of life, thankfully. Now I’m not saying 11, 12, 13 year olds should be having sex, but the hormones are strong and sometimes they do. So what.. you think they should get cancer for it?

And what about instances of rape?


36 posted on 05/14/2007 10:42:56 AM PDT by JerriBlank
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

>>Conservatives do not want to pay for this vaccine, anyone is free to get the vaccine, we just do not desire to pay for this.<<

The economic return on vaccines tends to be quite high.

Various studies including one by the Harvard School of Public Health have found that productivity gains from vaccine investment equal that of primary education (an average of about 18%)and when avoided medical costs and reduced welfare are included the return far exceeds any other program.

So I don’t really think there is a good economic argument against vaccines. From a strictly financial point of view, we’d be better off to cut back on anything, even highway or food safety to pay for vaccines.


37 posted on 05/14/2007 10:43:03 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: AmericaUnited

Actually, do we really want every girl given the shot before we have a really good study on side effects?


38 posted on 05/14/2007 10:44:21 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: bedolido

If parents what their little girls to get the vaccine, let them go to their own doctor for it, and keep the government out of it.


39 posted on 05/14/2007 10:47:08 AM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: AmericaUnited

You don’t have to be promiscuous to get HPV. Hoping that this isn’t TMI, but I’ve had a total of 3 partners my entire life, have been married for 22 years this month, and I have it. My now-H and I both came down with the symptoms shortly before we were engaged, since it can lie dormant for a long time in the body, we have no way of knowing which one of us gave it to the other. And he didn’t have a high number of partners either, for a guy who was in the service and overseas before we met. It only takes one encounter from one person to get it. You don’t have to be a ‘tramp’ to get any STD, just one unlucky enounter.


40 posted on 05/14/2007 10:49:03 AM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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