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S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
Yonhap News ^ | 05/16/07

Posted on 05/15/2007 11:49:30 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source

WASHINGTON, May 15 (Yonhap) -- South Korean and U.S. military authorities are trying to verify newly obtained intelligence that North Korea test-launched in Iran a new kind of missile that was only revealed to the public last month, a source here said Tuesday.

Speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity involved, the source said North Korea doesn't appear to have tested the intermediate-range ballistic missile within its territory.

"But we did obtain intelligence tips that the missile was test-fired in Iran. I understand that the intelligence communities of relevant countries are tracking down the information," he said.

The missile, named "Musudan," is believed to have been developed from the former Soviet Union's SSN-6 model. Its range is estimated at around 4,000 kilometers.

The missile was first made public on April 25 at a parade marking the anniversary of the foundation of the North Korean military.

North Korea launched seven ballistic missiles on July 4 of last year, including an inter-continental Taepodong-2 that theoretically can strike the U.S. west coast.

The Musudan version is estimated to have a range longer than the Taepodong-1 but shorter than the Taepodong-2.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: appeasement; iran; kimhaswon; korea; missile; missilethreat; musudan; nkorea; northkorea; testfiring
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1 posted on 05/15/2007 11:49:35 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/15/2007 11:50:06 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, ppogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I think we need to increase the length of your tagline.


3 posted on 05/16/2007 12:11:03 AM PDT by honolulugal
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I guess we’re going to wait until one lands on us. Then the Rats will be whining about how President Bush didn’t engage in meaningful diplomacy with these dirtbags.
4 posted on 05/16/2007 12:24:34 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: honolulugal
Re #3

I may add one more. Have to make a careful choice.:-)

5 posted on 05/16/2007 1:06:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, ppogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Its range is estimated at around 4,000 kilometers."

Let's see...distance from Tehran to Rome: 2121 miles. That's about 3413 Kilometers.

...to London: 2738 miles. That's about 4406 Kilometers.

Iran's getting very close to its first major evil goal.

And yes, much of the Iranian noise about Israel is a ruse.
6 posted on 05/16/2007 1:20:32 AM PDT by familyop
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To: FARS; AdmSmith; freedom44; DoctorZIn

Ping!


7 posted on 05/16/2007 1:23:08 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, ppogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: AlaskaErik
I am not a Rat. Never have been, never will. However, I am a Korea Peninsula Specialist.

And take it from me.

Nothing good has come out of the Bush Administration over North Korea for the last six months. They have done a complete about face, and we are in ABJECT RETREAT.

We need to get ready for more of this.

And it is not just a "liberal" or "Bush bashing" thing to make such an objective observation.


8 posted on 05/16/2007 1:24:37 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Bush has shown he can hold his own, when it comes to appeasing North Korea, just like "Slick" did.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Re #8

I am in full agreement. Really love to see what went on inside White House to cause this meltdown.

9 posted on 05/16/2007 1:31:16 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, ppogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

10 posted on 05/16/2007 1:33:21 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Bush has shown he can hold his own, when it comes to appeasing North Korea, just like "Slick" did.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

11 posted on 05/16/2007 1:36:40 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Bush has shown he can hold his own, when it comes to appeasing North Korea, just like "Slick" did.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

BTW, in the Russian configuration, that missile had much more range. The North Koreans adapted them to carry heavier payloads.


12 posted on 05/16/2007 1:39:03 AM PDT by familyop
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Re #11

Translation:

Title(bottom) - SOB Peddling Nukes

Narration(on the left) - On a peaceful autumn day, here comes the nuke-peddling curly-haired big shot.

13 posted on 05/16/2007 1:40:46 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, kae jong-il, chia head, ppogri, midget sh*tbag)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I am in full agreement. Really love to see what went on inside White House to cause this meltdown.

It's a simple game of leverage. Iran and North Korea need each other, and are allies of convenience. From there, look at their pooled resources and shared goals.

Iran has something that North Korea doesn't. A trump card. Simply put, Iran has burrowed deep into the Iraqi political, military, and social reconstruction. Their militias are powerful, organized, and laying in wait. Their agents in the Iraqi government are numerous and well placed. If we move on Iran, Iran can reduce Iraq to an ungovernable, unsalvagable mess, at least for the duration of President Bush's term.

Enter North Korea, brimming with nuclear and ballistic know how. By staying cozy with Iran, they can deflect a lot of heat, by virtue of the Iraqi trump card. And they run some missile tests and other business options with Tehran in the meantime. There's nothing to be gained by letting the other be divided and conqured.

The White House, on the other hand, is isolated, and utterly desperate to keep Iraq progressing. Just getting a hold of Baghdad and Anbar is taxing us to the limit. While Iran would prefer to slowly but thoroughly subvert Iraq politically, if pressed they'll give it up and set it ablaze instead. We're not going to lay a finger on Iran or the DPRK while our military (which is stretched a lot further than the White House is admitting) is so tied down.

Our enemies are not fooled. They know we're off balance, and will keep Iraq on the brink for the next year and a half. All they have to do is run the clock out on President Bush. He's emotionally vested too deeply to the success of Iraq to take his eye off the prize. To that end, he'll sacrifice his struggle against Tehran and Pyongyang for a win in Baghdad.

14 posted on 05/16/2007 3:50:29 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (If every Republican is a RINO, then no Republican is a RINO.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s awful to watch. It’s almost like something is unraveling. Is the president so utterly focused on Iraq that he’s given up on Korea and Iran?


15 posted on 05/16/2007 4:38:54 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: familyop

Why Tehran? They might as well launch it from their north-western border with Turkey, and come closer to London by more than 700 kms, easily making up for the shortcomings of the 4000-km missile.


16 posted on 05/16/2007 4:45:04 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I am skeptical, why should NK test a new missile in Iran? If they did that it would cause a lot of problem. If the missile is an Iranian construction it would be more appropriate for the Iranians to test it in NK.
17 posted on 05/16/2007 5:12:55 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Well if the Iranians have the same (har har) ‘success’ with those missiles that North Korea did when they staged their liddle multiple-launch attempts last year, I would expect to see one of those duds explode right over Tehran.

Which would be the ultimate irony, especially if a prototype nuke was installed in the nosecone.

(psssst, say Lord? “from my keyboard to Your Ears”, ok? ;)


18 posted on 05/16/2007 5:25:04 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; Ax; ...

MI Ping


19 posted on 05/16/2007 6:17:16 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov. 5, 1979.)
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To: AlaskaErik

You nailed it, Erik


20 posted on 05/16/2007 6:29:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: lonevoice

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if this is confirmed.


21 posted on 05/16/2007 6:31:04 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: AmericanInTokyo
we are in ABJECT RETREAT

What else could be expected...the support of the American people for sabre-rattling and a forceful approach to foreign dictators went up in the flames of the 2006 elections. Bush would have no support whatsoever for a tough approach - he is neutered by public opinion.

"With public sentiment anything is possible; without it nothing is" (Abraham Lincoln)

22 posted on 05/16/2007 7:08:55 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

Unfortunately, we wasted the pre-emption card on Iraq. As a dyed-in-the-wool conservative Republican, it sorrows me to come the conclusion that this administration doesn’t know what the hell it’s doing.


23 posted on 05/16/2007 7:55:53 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The “Axis of Evil” speech was great theater, wasn’t it?

The WH went after the low-hanging fruit in Iraq - where intelligence coverage was knowingly sparse - and got burned to the third-degree. Our credibility is shot. This is not going to be resolved until an international crisis emerged, I’m afraid to say.


24 posted on 05/16/2007 8:06:13 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thank you for the ping.


25 posted on 05/16/2007 8:09:05 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (With God for a pilot, anything is possible.......!!!)
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To: familyop
And yes, much of the Iranian noise about Israel is a ruse.

Bingo. Although I think Iran wants the Saudi oil fields first(and Mecca)

26 posted on 05/16/2007 8:09:11 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sinking every ship that leaves NK would be helpful.


27 posted on 05/16/2007 8:52:27 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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28 posted on 05/16/2007 8:58:16 AM PDT by sono (TITVS PVLLO in MMVIII - Paid for by the Aventine Collegium for Pullo)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Jet Jaguar; monkapotamus; All

Yeah you not going get ban

BOY is this way Chia Pet want more money he really lose it on aid money ROFL


29 posted on 05/16/2007 10:05:14 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: mkjessup

Years back, NK did manage to fire a missile over Japan.


30 posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:11 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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To: Steel Wolf
"The White House, on the other hand, is isolated, and utterly desperate to keep Iraq progressing. Just getting a hold of Baghdad and Anbar is taxing us to the limit. "

That is a political problem, not a military one. Do you really think if we decided to slip off just one glove that Baghdad and Anbar province would really be taxing on our military?

The problem is NOT with the military, its with the meek and timid generation that watches the news 24/7 and cries right along with the war machine's "victims". Eventually people are going to have to understand that this is not going to be a sterile war of intimidation, threats, and bullying.

When cities really begin to fall and you see B-52's carpet bombing with wholesale destruction once again because it is the only thing these people will ever understand, then we finally may get somewhere, not before.

31 posted on 05/16/2007 10:35:39 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: familyop

You sir, are 100% right on the mark. Few are noticing this.

Israel is the long, long term goal and short term red herring. Rome and NY are the first targets. NY will be an inside job attempt and I think Rome will be a missile attempt.


32 posted on 05/16/2007 12:26:47 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: rjp2005

Eeks!


33 posted on 05/16/2007 12:39:21 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: SE Mom
The risks, rewards, time restrictions, true time liabilities (not the fools who 4 years ago were telling us Iran would surly have nukes in two years, then in two more years, then in two more years)....

Seeing the Iraq mission through, winning the third phase of this WOT/inside Iraq...which is seeing a viable Iraqi Gov't which can defend itself up and running.....is simply a must in terms of our national security....along with our ability to make our next move on the world chess board.

The reality is President GWB isn't going to be able to solve every issue before he leaves office. But making sure Iraq is headed for success is essential to our future national security.

People now trying to second guess going into Iraq (instead of Iran, and what NK??). That is silly. If people think Iraq has been difficult, it is a cakewalk compared to what military operations in Iran or NK would be (unless we are simply going to "nuke'em"....which such a debate is only for the non-serious).

Reality is trying to bring the values of self-worth and freedoms to the heart of the ME (Iraq) and to Stan were (and are) strategically the right course of action. Doing such will provide tremendous benefits down the road....

GWB isn't going soft. He is simply dealing with reality and making decisions based off of the options that are actually available to him.....(not pie-in-the-sky BS options).

Also at the end of the day...elections have consequences. And when some in the GOP base foolishly stayed home in 06 putting domestic issues above national security (when the choices were abundantly clear, between a GOP led Congress and Defeatocrat lead Congress).....when the GOP didn't come out this hurt our national security.

34 posted on 05/16/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Who fault it is is it Sunshine Condi or Sunshine Robert Gates


35 posted on 05/16/2007 1:22:28 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

36 posted on 05/16/2007 1:33:54 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Musudan-ri Launch Facility
37 posted on 05/16/2007 1:35:24 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: AdmSmith

Jeffrey Lewis has written about this http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1500/nork-irbm-musudan-1


38 posted on 05/16/2007 2:14:29 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: Rutles4Ever
"Bingo. Although I think Iran wants the Saudi oil fields first(and Mecca)"

Thanks. I believe that Iran--being a little cagier in some ways than some of the others--plans to go for other Muslim assets after doing a lot of damage to the West. Recently, Iran has been putting much effort into getting friendly with the Saudis (and has also trained quite a few terrorist Sunnis: Al Qaeda).
39 posted on 05/16/2007 3:09:33 PM PDT by familyop
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To: rjp2005
Thank you, and comment #39 (forgot to add your username to that one).
40 posted on 05/16/2007 3:11:09 PM PDT by familyop
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“I am not a Rat. Never have been, never will. However, I am a Korea Peninsula Specialist.
And take it from me.

Nothing good has come out of the Bush Administration over North Korea for the last six months. They have done a complete about face, and we are in ABJECT RETREAT.

We need to get ready for more of this.

And it is not just a “liberal” or “Bush bashing” thing to make such an objective observation.”

I totally agree with your observation. Bush should have stayed the cowboy cleaning up the thugs without mercy. Instead, he listened to cabinet members who were listening to world opinion. Well, addressing world opinion is important on our intentions, but we could have continued our strategy of stating them on national news and giving to other countries in need. But no, what happened was a bout of compassion at a time we needed to continue violence. Bush Jr. should spend more time with Bush Sr. about how the CIA of his time was nasty, ruthless and effective in keeping the Soviets in check. We cannot back down from the current and looming larger conflict, we must be prepared and state to our enemies in no uncertain terms we will back our words up with actions, not do about-faces and act waffle. Now the world truly doesn’t get us or what our intentions are and this has made it far more dangerous.


41 posted on 05/16/2007 4:14:42 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Steel Wolf

“Our enemies are not fooled. They know we’re off balance, and will keep Iraq on the brink for the next year and a half. All they have to do is run the clock out on President Bush. He’s emotionally vested too deeply to the success of Iraq to take his eye off the prize. To that end, he’ll sacrifice his struggle against Tehran and Pyongyang for a win in Baghdad.”

Well put my friend. And our about face on entering direct discussions with Tehran add proof of your point. We must put real pressure on North Korea and simply TELL them we will intercept all missle and nuclear material to Tehran. Force their hand into battle of subjection. They destroy Seoul, we vaporize all of the North. Game, point, match.


42 posted on 05/16/2007 4:18:00 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Abathar

“When cities really begin to fall and you see B-52’s carpet bombing with wholesale destruction once again because it is the only thing these people will ever understand, then we finally may get somewhere, not before.”

And I am sad to say without stopping Iran, the catalyst of our massive wholesale destruction will be a nuclear terrorist event on one of our port cities, courtesy of Iran. Sure they may pay in Iran but our country will be in a depression and it will be unlikely we will be able to protect our oil supply, leading to other enemies making their moves. It’s gonna get ugly, but we will win in the end.


43 posted on 05/16/2007 4:21:36 PM PDT by quant5
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To: rjp2005

“You sir, are 100% right on the mark. Few are noticing this.

Israel is the long, long term goal and short term red herring. Rome and NY are the first targets. NY will be an inside job attempt and I think Rome will be a missile attempt.”

Your practically quoting prophecy of John in Revelations and Ezekial. Revelations talks about the city on seven hills that the beast destroys in one instant. It makes some sense if you think about it. Who is stopping global communism/islamism (same thing of a state telling someone what to do all the time) from occuring? That would be Rome, the USA and Israel.


44 posted on 05/16/2007 4:25:26 PM PDT by quant5
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To: AmericanInTokyo
What do you think about Bush resurrecting the Law of the Sea Treaty and his attempts to merge USA, Mexico and Canada into a big "security zone?"
45 posted on 05/16/2007 4:34:34 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: familyop
"BTW, in the Russian configuration, that missile had much more range. The North Koreans adapted them to carry heavier payloads."

I'd bet that's because the NorK and Iranian warhead designs are not as lightweight as the Russian ones. It takes a lot of development to get from a nuke that works to one that is light enough to package on a missile. Look at the size of Little Boy and Fat Man versus modern warheads.
46 posted on 05/16/2007 7:10:57 PM PDT by omnivore
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I’ve said it before... Bush is a missionary. We need a warrior.

Bush is well on his way to weakening this country nearly as badly a Clinton did... and he has two years left.


47 posted on 05/17/2007 7:18:25 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Abathar
When cities really begin to fall and you see B-52's carpet bombing with wholesale destruction once again because it is the only thing these people will ever understand, then we finally may get somewhere, not before.

I'm afraid we will never, ever see wars fought this way again... at least, not under our current president. The uter fallacy on non-lethal war is both pervasive and unquestioned, all the war to the CINC.
48 posted on 05/17/2007 7:27:28 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: snowrip

Are you for real? Who is going to use the B-52’s instead of Bush??? Clinton sucks and he ruined this country and turned a blind eye and left this mess for Bush.


49 posted on 05/17/2007 8:58:21 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The border is open to train traffic today and 1000s of S Kors are expected to vacation in N Kor this year.


50 posted on 05/17/2007 9:00:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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