[betty boop]

But the other forms of knowledge never claimed to be based on savoir, but instead on connaître -- they weren't claiming to be logical in the FIRST place.

Connaître implies a sort of native or innate knowledge, which I do believe that human beings just naturally possess. A very common form of it is called "common sense." Try measuring that! :^)

[Coyoteman]

No answer to my post #331:

I do not embrace science as the most certain source of knowledge.

Why stop with divine revelation? When you reject science and the scientific method there are so many other sources of "knowledge" to choose from: magic, superstition, wishful thinking, old wives tales, folklore, what the stars foretell and what the neighbors think, omens, public opinion, astromancy, spells, aching bunions, Ouija boards, anecdotes, tarot cards, sorcery, seances, black cats, table tipping, witch doctors, crystals and crystal balls, numerology, palm reading, the unguessable verdict of history, tea leaves, hoodoo, voodoo, and all sorts of other weird stuff.

And if you reject science, just what method are you going to use to differentiate between these sources of "knowledge?"

And to make it worse, we can add two other important questions:

How do I know your divine revelation is worth anything? Jim Jones and David Koresh both claimed divine revelation and look where it got them. Sounds like a case of "my divine revelations are always true, but anyone else's divine revelations, if they contradict mine, must be false." (Nice work if you can get it.)

How does one objectively distinguish between a "genuine" revelation and an ordinary hallucination/mental illness? Charles Manson, for instance?

When you abandon rational thinking and objective, measurable reality in favor of "divine revelation," you also abandon any rational way of differentiating between multiple sources of "divine revelation." You are left with opinion and unsubstantiated belief.

And, you are far from science and the scientific method. As I noted above, when you abandon the scientific method and accept divine revelation as your highest authority, you have no business doing science, or even offering opinions on scientific matters.

[grey_whiskers]

One can consider it like this:

Connais-tu Minneapolis? :: "Are you acquainted with the Twin Cities?"

Sais-tu les polynomials Legendre? :: "Can you recite the Legendre polynomials?"

One is personal knowledge, acquaintance, "getting to know".

The other is factual, "book-learning", data.

Cheers!