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The question after the election disaster of 2008 will be, which betrayal did in the GOP?
May 17, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/17/2007 3:07:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: gpapa

How can one support someone who won’t get off the darn fence? What’s more important, running for president, or a Hollywood contract? I like Hunter, but can he beat the machine?

I’m not much of a Christian, but I get the feeling we’re facing the “end times”. A Hillary presidency will make George Orwell look like Mother Goose. Time to buy another copy of Alexander Soltzinetzin(sp), “Gulag Archipelago”. Ayn Rand wouldn’t hurt at this point, either...


321 posted on 05/17/2007 11:50:38 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Who do you support?


322 posted on 05/18/2007 12:06:31 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I’m not much of a Christian, but I get the feeling we’re facing the “end times”.

You're right about that (the "end times" that is... :-) ... ). If we have to pull out of Iraq without really finishing the job (and I don't think it can be finished for a few years), then this will plunge us into further terrorists attacks, being emboldened by "driving out the infidel". Heck, they could lose and they would say the same thing, the way they are...

I think with a potential disaster coming down the pike (with 2008), we're looking at a lot of trouble and a build-up to that disaster scenario in the Bible called "Armageddon". It might not be too many more years down the road.

Regards,
Star Traveler

323 posted on 05/18/2007 3:49:22 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: gpapa
p.s. JimRob. There seems to be quite a few anti-conservative trolls on some of these threads.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I say that, because I've been labeled anti-conservative in several ways, just by saying something about the last elections that we lost the Congress and how it's not looking good for the 2008 Presidential elections, either and a very good possibillity of the U.S. pulling out of Iraq, even though we shouldn't (we just might not have a choice, being in the minority).

Some have called me Pelosi, or Reid, or a troll, etc. So, that's why I was wondering. I was glad that someone else could see the "looming problem" -- when JimRob posted this...

Regards,
Star Traveler

324 posted on 05/18/2007 3:53:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Jim Robinson

You need to add: Failure for conservative politicians to really have any successful “public relations machine” in place to successfully overcome the continuous political bias of the mainstream media.


325 posted on 05/18/2007 4:01:36 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Jim Robinson

Another thing to add to this list is the fact that political correctness and the “dumbing down of the entire world” keeps getting worse everyday for everyone, and political correctness should instead be successfully put into reverse until it’s successfully and finally eliminated forever for everyone’s sake. Political correctness helped to contribute to just about everything that you mention in your list.


326 posted on 05/18/2007 5:11:29 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: NVDave
Souter was nominated by the first George Bush and was highly recommended by John Sununu and Warren Rudman. Although he was thought to be conservative, he really had no paper trail to speak of and was therefore sort of a “stealth” candidate. He was fairly conservative in his early USSC opinions, but was very influenced by the other more liberal members of the court, especially Sandra Day O’Connor. I would bet that GHW Bush regrets nominating him, but the memories of the fight over Bork were fresh in his mind. BTW, I’m a sister, not a brother.
327 posted on 05/18/2007 5:25:43 AM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: Jim Robinson

18 - especially 3-4


328 posted on 05/18/2007 5:36:34 AM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican party is dead! Let's start over.)
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To: tgslTakoma

bttt


329 posted on 05/18/2007 5:49:25 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
None,therein lies the problem. We are fast becoming a one party system and the Democrats will soon put the Republican Party out to pasture along with all American citizens that go back for generations. We may as well have a dictator.
330 posted on 05/18/2007 5:58:35 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gpapa

At this point, I don’t know who to support. The primaries are just getting started, and everyone is at each others throughts. It was easier last time, because Bush was already a sitting president, and we all got to watch the Dem version of Calvalcade of Clowns. Okay, Kerry worried me a little bit.

I want to support a Hunter/Thompson ticket, but Thompson has not officially declared. Some have a good point regarding his timetable, but to me it’s going to be too late. Tancredo is a good guy, but will get the Buchannan treatment.

I’m almost tempted to stay home.


331 posted on 05/18/2007 6:08:39 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: NVDave
The Governor of California can in no way be compared with the POTUS because he can not affect the foreign policy of the United States. Al Gore is obviously unbalanced and John Kerry is a traitor who should not even be a US Senator, much less POTUS. It does not matter how pure a conservative the GOP nominee is if he cannot get elected POTUS. Since 9-11, there is no more important issue to all Americans than the war against militant Islam. The damage a Democrat president could do at this critical time in our history is incalculable. If that president happened to be Hillary, it would also be criminal.

Where your argument falls short is in assuming the DBM will ever allow the Dems to get the blame for anything. The Republicans got the blame for the 1995 government shutdown when it was Bill Clinton that vetoed the bill and actually caused the government shutdown. Newt was the only one to suffer for that politically. Had the situation been reversed, the DBM would have seen to it that a Republican president got the blame and the Congress would have been praised for standing up to the POTUS. Both you and I are obviously well-informed because we seek alternative sources of information such as Free Republic, but most Americans still get most of their information from media sources that might as well be a branch of the national Democrat Party.

I think the PBA ban IS important because PBA is pure and simply infanticide and should be illegal in any civilized country. I am very pro-life, but I am not a purist on abortion. In fact, I agree with Rudy, it doesn't matter if if Roe V. Wade is overturned or not. If it was overturned tomorrow, abortion would still be legal in some states. It was a bad law and for that reason should be overturned, but all that would do would send the issue back to the states where it belongs.

I'm sure that we will never agree about GWB, but I happen to think that he was the perfect man to be POTUS for such a time as this. As I said above. the war against radical Islam is the most important issue of our time. It is a fight between good and evil and we are up against an enemy that is willing to die if they can take as many of us infidels as possible with them. It doesn't matter how pure your conservatism is if you're dead. Many people in the GOP "base" don't seem to get that. What the Dems have been doing to undermine our military since they took over in January should convince any patriotic American, whether conservative or liberal, that these people can not be trusted to do what is best for the nation. They are only concerned what is best for their own political aspirations and the political fortunes of the Democrat party.
332 posted on 05/18/2007 6:12:18 AM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: srmorton

I agree that the war against militant Islam is the most important issue of our time. Trouble is, Bush is bungling the job - badly. He continues to believe some things about the issue that simply aren’t true; eg “Islam is a religion of peace” and will not see the larger picture - that allowing immigration to continue from Islamic countries is only making the future situation worse.

As it is, I believe now that Bush has set us up for a now nearly inevitable attack by playing a weak hand. Bush, being a “compassionate Christian” clearly lacks the resolve necessary to crush enemies. In order to win against the Islamic mindset, one has to be ruthless. I don’t mean a little ruthless. I’m talking Vlad the Impaler ruthless. Bush is utterly incapable of doing this.

eg: The press and the liberals want to make a big deal about Gitmo and how unlawful combatants are treated. Were I in Bush’s position, I’d give the order that no more unlawful combatant prisoners are to be taken. Just kill them in the AO. The various treaties to which we are signatories make that fully legal. Armed, non-uniformed combatants on a field of battle are fair game. The Gitmo program is fully legal, but the press, lawyers and the courts want to make treaties the Islamists have never (and will never) sign apply.

Solution: use the other legal option allowed under the Geneva Convention for unlawful combatants: kill them on the field of battle. Toss their bodies into a hole and get on with the rest of our day.

Another example: Bush, in his “new tone in Washington” nonsense, has allowed Democratic operatives in the intelligence agencies to severely harm the US. Again, because he is unwilling to use power as a leader should, he refuses to deal with these people properly.

In the fullness of history, we will see how Bush was weak. He’s like Carter: a nice guy, but not capable of using force when force is needed. Yes, he has used force in launching us into war, but he wanted war fought the way nice guys fight wars, eg, Fallujah. That city should have been dealt with the first time we took it. Instead, because the local imams complained about how we were dealing with it, we withdrew.

The Democrats would not be any better on this issue, but again, a solid GOP Congress could contain much of the foolishness a DNC president would offer. As it is, look at how much trouble the GOP Congress is having trying to push back on some of Bush’s foolishness. They get their heads beat in by guys like Rove in private meetings. If it were a Democrat in the Big Chair, people in a GOP Congress wouldn’t have to take a meeting with the president’s political operatives due to “party loyalty” — the GOP members of Congress would be able to tell a Rove-like character to go pound sand.


333 posted on 05/18/2007 6:42:55 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Jim Robinson

Is it time for a new party yet?


334 posted on 05/18/2007 6:44:59 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Jim Robinson

18 Most of the Above & 20 Other.

Why Other? Because they have another year and a half to find new and creative ways to stab conservatives in the back.


335 posted on 05/18/2007 6:45:10 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (the Democrat(ic) caucus of corruption)
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To: mickie
Why didn't Bush groom a VP to run for president? Seems like he is more than willing to hand the job over to hillary.

It wouldn't be the first time a Bush handed the presidency over to a Clinton.

336 posted on 05/18/2007 6:47:11 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (the Democrat(ic) caucus of corruption)
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To: Jim Robinson

18


337 posted on 05/18/2007 6:47:24 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Jim Robinson

It will be #21 - The betrayal by conservatives who stayed home on election day 2008.

At least that’s what the bots on FR will try to claim.

I mean, it’s working so well for them WRT the 2006 election.


338 posted on 05/18/2007 6:49:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Jim Robinson

You can be a pretty gruff guy Jim, but I have to agree with you on this one. I am shaking my head at what Bush and the GOP have done to their advantages since the mandate they won in 2004.


339 posted on 05/18/2007 6:49:35 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Jim Robinson

I hate to say it, but the war. At the least, the popular thing now is to say Bush has royally messed up in Iraq. At the worst, far too many Americans want to put the heads in the sand and not recognize the need to attack our Islamo-fascist enemies.

I heard a speech from Rick Santorum lately, and he says that Tommy Franks told Bush it was mistake to portray this war as a war against cowardly terrorists. This is a real war against a completely determined enemies who will kill themselves to impose their church and state on the world. Sugar-coating this truth has only made things worse.

— JoeRepublc


340 posted on 05/18/2007 6:49:36 AM PDT by Joe Republc
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