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But Who Was Right -- Rudy or Ron?
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| May.18, 2007
| Pat Buchanan
Posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: CJ Wolf
That is exactly why we should not cut and run from Iraq?
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posted on
05/19/2007 12:28:19 AM PDT
by
B. Chezwick
(He who stands against Israel stands against God. - Rev. Jerry Falwell)
Comment #142 Removed by Moderator
To: ellery; All
In addition, one of the (at least) two terrorist attacks in NYC on his watch prior to 9/11 was perpetrated by a terrorist who was part of the Brooklyn Islamofascist community -- linked to a hotbed of Brooklyn Islamofascism centered in Bay Ridge. But Giuliani didnt follow up to see if there was a wider pattern of Islamofascist attacks being planned/supported/funded there - he treated the shooting as an isolated crime, tried to avoid admitting any links to terrorism, and met with leaders of Brooklyns Arab community. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but wouldn't it have been nice if Giuliani had had the guts to acknowledge the murders as a terrorist attack and take a much closer look at the entire Islamofascist community there in Brooklyn?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9801E2DD113AF936A35750C0A962958260
Key excerpt: The Mayors urgency to quash the widespread reports of a link between the shooting suspect and the well-known terrorist organization fit a pattern he established immediately after the Tuesday shootings. From the beginning, he personally took control of all briefings on the matter, often appearing with the Police Commissioner at his side, and took pains to dampen the rumors that might pit one ethnic group against another or raise the citys level of fear.
Even now, Mr. Giuliani and the Police Department have refused to discuss the question of a motive in the van shootings, which left one student brain-dead, another in poor condition and two others with less serious wounds. Though many Hasidim say they are certain the students were shot because they are Jews, the police say they have not determined the shooting was anti-Semitic.
Yesterday morning, Mr. Giuliani met for 40 minutes with a group of Arab restaurateurs, business owners and community leaders from Brooklyn. He told them that Arabs as a group should not be blamed for the shooting, and the Arab leaders put out a statement expressing condolences to the families of the victims and noting that Arabs were instrumental in contributing information that led to Mr. Bazs arrest.
BIG RUDY-LAX ON TERRORISM *BUMP*
Thank you FRiend, this ought to be one of the standard questions posed to Giuliani in each and every debate.
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posted on
05/19/2007 2:21:53 AM PDT
by
mkjessup
(Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
To: jveritas
The terrorists whether they are Al Qaeda or the Iranian and Syrian terrorist regimes or a combination of all of them will not only control Iraq but the whole Middle East and with it come consequences to the US and the West that is worst than our most horrible nightmares. So why haven't we attacked Syria or Iran? Why continue the proxy war in Iraq without striking at the source of the money, men and equipment of the war we are fighting there? Is that a sane policy?
To: The_Eaglet
What a disgrace. Yeah, bar the only patriot and person who isn’t a robot for the globalists.
Paul was right. The good Dr. is always right. To think that our hairbrained unconstitutional policies of what can only be described as projecting empire have nothing to do with the great hatred so many have for the US is ludicrous. Giuliani with his “they hate our freedom and blah blah blah blah women” proves him to be just the dangerous crank and fool I always knew him to be.
It is pretty unbelievable (at least I am convinced as much) how Fox had set up the good Dr. right from the beginning all the while pimping Mr. real ID. However I will admit that I loved the laughable encounter with shammity at end when the good Dr, basically said, “I may not be the best orator boy, but sit down there sonny while I totally school your tiny little mind on the ways of foreign policy and facts”. Not that I ever had much to begin with, but what little respect I did have for Bush cheerleader #1 Shammity, evaporated like the water he carries for the pres. nauseously day after day.
I suspect the handlers in the Bush administration are becoming more and more eager to transfer this total disgrace of governance and global mayhem over to the Democrats. I say this because the only Republican with any chance at all to beat the democrats is indeed the good Dr.. Not the Weimar Republicans sqealing from the top of there lungs on who will promise the most severe form of torture and promise us the perverted unamerican national ID.
To: B. Chezwick
If president, Paul would attack Iran if Congress declared war.
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posted on
05/19/2007 6:48:29 AM PDT
by
CJ Wolf
To: Reagan Man
I’d worry about any President who doesn’t think our actions abroad might have consequences.
147
posted on
05/19/2007 7:32:35 AM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: librlH8r; All
Have you not heard? "9/11 changed everything!"
That is their excuse, but I think only a small portion honestly believe that. Even if they realize what you said, the majority of them seem to like watching stuff blow up on television, and so they advocate foreign intervention, from supporting our ever successful occupation of Iraq, to invasions of Syria and Iran, to infinite war with every Muslim on the globe.
The '03 optimists need to save face, and that will mean more war or blaming the unpatriotic-treasonous-Ron-Paul-supporting-conservatives who take matters of war seriously.
To: mkjessup
I agree — I wish they would ask him about it (but I’m not holding my breath). I just don’t understand this meme that Giuliani would be great at fighting Islamofascists — his only experience is fighting crime...and I thought we discarded the idea of fighting terrorism as a crime after 9/11. He has zero foreign policy experience.
He’s good at staying calm after an attack, but certainly hasn’t any history of preventing attacks, or background in fighting global terrorism. Did you see what Mark Steyn said in April on Laura Ingraham’s radio show?
EXCERPT - STEYN: ‘The one I find actually rather disappointing is Giuliani . . . when you listen to him speak, what worries me is that he has a sort of airport security approach to the war. And he’s not actually very good when he’s talking about the big foreign policy aspects of it and the big geopolitical thing. He’s very good if you want to hunker down and have a security checkpoint. He’s the guy who’d be good for manning that checkpoint.’
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posted on
05/19/2007 10:22:21 AM PDT
by
ellery
(I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
To: Reagan Man
I have read a good deal about this matter it is TRUE that Osama did rationalize his War against us for among other things basing troops in Saudi Arabia before the Gulf War. Of course now there are multiple strains of virulent Islamo-Facists that now must be destroyed. Going into Iraq has now developed into "unintended consequences". Running away will likely result in more attacks against us, abroad and at home. We must now fight to annhilate the threat but Our Rules of Engagement are too restrictive...and Spec Ops Forces alone cannot win a war. We need the 400 ship Navy back and to double the size of our Marines Corps. We need to SECURE our Borders and develop a Real National Energy Policy and work towards replacing our dependence on foreign oil by starting a Manhatten Projectfor alternate Energy sources. Last but not least we need to revamp and streamline out Intelligence Agencies.
Freepers should read "Through Our Enemies Eyes", "Dying to Win" and "Jawbreaker" for starters.
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posted on
05/19/2007 10:40:37 AM PDT
by
lawdog
To: cva66snipe
Rudys outburst showed me his lack of understanding on M.E. issues. Understanding why something happens does not mean condoning a wrong. The outburst showed a lack of maturity, too
To: Irontank
“Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States”
Aw, geez, you must be kidding...American interventionism causes people to want to attack us? It can’t be! We have to protect Americans everywhere, no matter what, no matter what laws they break in foreign countries, no matter how foolish their presence there, no matter how corrupt the American company has shown the foreign government to be! We must simply have a military presence so huge and strong that if an American sneezes and the government of the soil he’s on fails to present him with a ‘bless you’ and a hanky, we can impose our national will on those anti-nose-wiping heathens.
/bitter sarcasm
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posted on
05/19/2007 2:00:39 PM PDT
by
LibertarianInExile
(If ‘He can win,’ is your first defense, obviously, that’s his one plus--not his conservatism.)
To: Reagan Man
Pat Buchanan
The "isolationist" who believes in foreign aid for Hamas.
He's a Dhimmi.
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posted on
05/19/2007 2:11:07 PM PDT
by
rmlew
(It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
To: jveritas
We are fighting for the freedom of the Iraqis too. I don’t think we would have gone into Iraq for that purpose alone, but it has been one of President Bush’s reasons all along.
And thank you for your steadfast support of President Bush! I’ve noticed you’re taking a lot of heat, I would have been banned long ago for ‘over’ defending myself;) Well done.
To: Yankee Dutch
Thank you Yankee. My heart is really broken to see in the last 10 or 15 days some people on this great forum calling for surrender and defeat in Iraq and calling President Bush a traitor.
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posted on
05/19/2007 2:18:31 PM PDT
by
jveritas
(Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
To: presidio9
we get most of our oil from three countries: The US, Mexico, and Canada.Saudi Arabia is our number two (maybe three) source of foreign oil, after Canada. Last I looked they were still in the middle east. The Saudi oil industry was built decades ago by an outfit called Aramco--short for Arab American Corporation. We have been in the middle east for oil for generations.
To: hinckley buzzard
What you posted simply isn't true. Saudi Arabia is our #5 source of oil, but we get very little from anywhere else in te middle east. In total, 1/8th of our oil comes from there, meaning 5% of our energy needs are supplied by the Middle East. I'm not a huge fan of George Will, but
See Here.
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posted on
05/19/2007 2:48:42 PM PDT
by
presidio9
(Islam is as Islam does.)
To: Reagan Man
Lest we forget, Osama bin Laden was among the mujahideen whom we, in the Reagan decade, were aiding when they were fighting to expel the Red Army from Afghanistan. We sent them Stinger missiles, Spanish mortars, sniper rifles. And they helped drive the Russians out.
Sorry, pal, but this myth, oft repeated, has gotten a life of its own. It was Mossoud, and not OBL we supported during the Afghan War. Mossoud had a CIA agent who laiasoned directly between him and Reagan. Reagan tried to give him everything he needed. That is how all such clandestine ops are run. We don't just throw guns out of heliocopters wily nily. The recipients have to be vetted. I know of no such relationship between the U.S. gov. and OBL.
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posted on
05/19/2007 5:06:44 PM PDT
by
attiladhun2
(Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
To: Irontank
What you are saying then is that the Moozies hate us because we did not ascribe to their original goal of genocide against the Jews of Palestine? That was the goal of the Arabs states who first invaded Palestine in 1948 and it is the goal of the Jihadists now, and most Muslims would be delighted to see that fulfilled. So it is irrelevant that Muslims dislike our policies, since the prevention of genocide ought to be applauded by everyone. I don’t care to “understand” Muslim rage at this point. Their rage is as irrational as the Quranic ravings of the Mad Prophet himself, and I am not referring to Balaam, if you get my drift.
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posted on
05/19/2007 5:21:23 PM PDT
by
attiladhun2
(Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
To: Steel Wolf
HEAR! HEAR! As the Brits would say. Enormous amount of wisdom said there, sir. Most Muslims sit in front of their TV sets and are fed a steady diet of anti-American and anti-Zionist rhetoric from government controlled outlets. Constantly exploited victimization deflects Muslim populations from the real failure brought them by their own governments and the religion these governments support.
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posted on
05/19/2007 5:30:01 PM PDT
by
attiladhun2
(Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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