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But Who Was Right -- Rudy or Ron?
Human Events ^ | May.18, 2007 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man

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To: SolGoldstein
So what? As the world’s only Superpower we can just beat ‘em down.

Yep, never heard that before in history have we? Oh wait a minute.....

Do Republicans even bother reading anymore? Or do you just get your historical 'knowledge' from Sean Hannity, Vic Hansen, and Fox News now?

121 posted on 05/18/2007 1:26:36 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: tpaine

"new $h!t has come to light, man!"

122 posted on 05/18/2007 1:28:19 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: The_Eaglet

Ron Paul was right. Rudy’s outburst showed me his lack of understanding on M.E. issues. Understanding why something happens does not mean condoning a wrong.


123 posted on 05/18/2007 1:43:35 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: Reagan Man

Paul is getting the Buchanan treatment for being for America first. In this world of favorite cows that thought cannot be debated, it must be totally purged from political debates. Not allowed to see the light of day.

Ignorance of why we are opposed is today’s no bliss. I don’t want our women to wear Burkas, I don’t want our women to wear Burkas, I don’t want our women to wear Burkas. I don’t ..... It’s not working, pass the kookaid, I’m beginning to question if we know what we are doing in Iraq.


124 posted on 05/18/2007 1:49:00 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Xenalyte
Hi Pat

Evidently you have not lived in a foreign country.

If you did you may not have hung around with common folks.

Most of the populaces get their ideas about America not from our presence anywhere but from the constant anti-American rhetoric found in just about every movie coming out of Hollywood.

It is embarrassing to hear high level foreign government folks ask our embassy personnel about the prevalence of slavery, bondage of women and the immoral world we live in.

If that insults you Patrick then so be it.

125 posted on 05/18/2007 1:51:45 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: APRPEH

bump


126 posted on 05/18/2007 2:15:42 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: SolGoldstein

I’m going to assume that was sarcasm....


127 posted on 05/18/2007 2:31:03 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: jveritas
We are not fighting in Iraq for the Iraqis, we are fighting for our freedom and our way of life and those of our children, grandchildren, and for many generations to come.

what crap

128 posted on 05/18/2007 3:47:44 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: jveritas

“I want to fight until we crush terrorism.”

I’ll loan you a rifle (buy your own ammo) and make reservations for you on the next Iraq-bound flight out. You go have a good time. I’ll be busy making sure our borders are secure so they can’t come over here anyway.


129 posted on 05/18/2007 3:55:16 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The nation-building stuff was stupid under Clinton and it's stupid under Bush...and it would have been equally stupid in Germany and Japan had we not imposed ten-year-long military regencies on both nations and hanged anyone who didn't like it.

A brilliant statement. Absolutely stellar. Plus, to boot, Japan did not have a theocratic, life encompassing worldview which was resistant to the invaders. Germany was already Christian, we just needed to rub their noses in their sin. Iraq is different because we have a Satanic, perverse, hegemonistic life and worldview, steeped in lies and hypocrisy, and nurtured on hatred. If we went in determined to wipe THAT out, possibly we could "succeed" politically, but the price in blood would be very very high. Russia could not do it in the steppes. We do not (thank God!) have the stomach for the brutality that would be necessary to eradicate Islam from Iraq. That makes our present "mission" there endless, hopeless, and doomed to fail.

130 posted on 05/18/2007 3:58:53 PM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: jveritas

If we won the ‘war’ in Iraq why not move on to Syria and Iran?

Continue the march. I say we take Iran next from our bases in free Iraq. And do it now.


131 posted on 05/18/2007 6:49:42 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: OKIEDOC

Hey Pat, Dr. Melfi (Sopranos) will be taking new patients in a couple of weeks. Suggest you go pay her a visit as your mind is failing.


132 posted on 05/18/2007 6:53:04 PM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: CJ Wolf

I am 100% for a massive Air and Naval war against the terrorist regime in Iran. Once we weaken the regime there and help in its downfall, the Syrian terrorist regime will fall as well. I also strongly believe that the defeat of Syria and Iran in Iraq will greatly hasten the fall of these 2 terrorist regimes.


133 posted on 05/18/2007 7:43:40 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
Agreed, but I'd add a declaration of war and a massive invasion to secure Terroran. This is exactly the reason why Ron Paul was right to want to declare "war" against Iraq instead of use the UN language in our justification for the use of military force.
134 posted on 05/18/2007 7:58:40 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: mkjessup

>>>>>Any person who has a shred of patriotism and a basic common sense will realize that we simply cannot afford to leave Iraq before we defeat terrorism there.

If terrorism was an army, that might be possible.


135 posted on 05/18/2007 8:20:35 PM PDT by cecilgreen (MEDIA: Manipulators Eroding Democracy In America)
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To: mkjessup
While RudyTooty is getting all righteous about Ron Paul’s absurd babblings, it needs to be pointed out that due to Giuliani’s lax enforcement of immigrations laws while Mayor of NYC, that he actually made it easier for some of the 9/11 hijackers to work, live and prepare for their dastardly attacks right in the heart of Brooklyn.

In addition, one of the (at least) two terrorist attacks in NYC on his watch prior to 9/11 was perpetrated by a terrorist who was part of the Brooklyn Islamofascist community -- linked to a hotbed of Brooklyn Islamofascism centered in Bay Ridge. But Giuliani didn’t follow up to see if there was a wider pattern of Islamofascist attacks being planned/supported/funded there - he treated the shooting as an isolated crime, tried to avoid admitting any links to terrorism, and met with leaders of Brooklyn’s Arab community. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but wouldn't it have been nice if Giuliani had had the guts to acknowledge the murders as a terrorist attack and take a much closer look at the entire Islamofascist community there in Brooklyn?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9801E2DD113AF936A35750C0A962958260

Key excerpt: The Mayor’s urgency to quash the widespread reports of a link between the shooting suspect and the well-known terrorist organization fit a pattern he established immediately after the Tuesday shootings. From the beginning, he personally took control of all briefings on the matter, often appearing with the Police Commissioner at his side, and took pains to dampen the rumors that might pit one ethnic group against another or raise the city’s level of fear.

Even now, Mr. Giuliani and the Police Department have refused to discuss the question of a motive in the van shootings, which left one student brain-dead, another in poor condition and two others with less serious wounds. Though many Hasidim say they are certain the students were shot because they are Jews, the police say they have not determined the shooting was anti-Semitic.

Yesterday morning, Mr. Giuliani met for 40 minutes with a group of Arab restaurateurs, business owners and community leaders from Brooklyn. He told them that Arabs as a group should not be blamed for the shooting, and the Arab leaders put out a statement expressing condolences to the families of the victims and noting that Arabs were instrumental in contributing information that led to Mr. Baz’s arrest.

136 posted on 05/18/2007 11:42:42 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: KenmcG414

ROFLMAO


137 posted on 05/19/2007 12:21:30 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: CJ Wolf

You do realize that Paul is against attacking Iran?


138 posted on 05/19/2007 12:25:15 AM PDT by B. Chezwick (He who stands against Israel stands against God. - Rev. Jerry Falwell)
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To: cecilgreen

Then how about staying until we defeat Al Qaeda there?


139 posted on 05/19/2007 12:26:49 AM PDT by B. Chezwick (He who stands against Israel stands against God. - Rev. Jerry Falwell)
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To: billbears

I used to read all of Osamas statements....I guess Rudy never did.

Did he even know of the State Dept. warnings the weekend before 9/11.


140 posted on 05/19/2007 12:27:32 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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