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But Who Was Right -- Rudy or Ron?
Human Events ^ | May.18, 2007 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man

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1 posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:46 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
Sorry Patrick but you need to pull your head out.
2 posted on 05/18/2007 7:55:19 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Reagan Man
Sorry Patrick but you need to pull your head out.
3 posted on 05/18/2007 7:55:21 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Reagan Man
We are not fighting in Iraq for the Iraqis, we are fighting for our freedom and our way of life and those of our children, grandchildren, and for many generations to come.

What will happen if we leave before we achieve victory?

The terrorists whether they are Al Qaeda or the Iranian and Syrian terrorist regimes or a combination of all of them will not only control Iraq but the whole Middle East and with it come consequences to the US and the West that is worst than our most horrible nightmares. The islamic terrorists will be emboldened beyond imagination. The islamic terrorists will use the hundred of billions of dollars from oil revenues to conduct terrorists attacks that are hundreds of folds more horrible, more deadly, and more destructive than the 9/11 terrorists attacks, including the use of nuclear weapons. They will also use the oil weapon to blackmail the Western and the world economy for many years to come.

If some terrorists dwelling in camps in Afghanistan with a limited budget and few volunteers were able to do 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 people and caused one trillion dollars in economic losses, imagine the incredible horrors that the terrorists can inflict on us if they control the whole Middle East and it vast revenues.

Any person who has a shred of patriotism and a basic common sense will realize that we simply cannot afford to leave Iraq before we defeat terrorism there.

4 posted on 05/18/2007 7:55:52 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Reagan Man

While RudyTooty is getting all righteous about Ron Paul’s absurd babblings, it needs to be pointed out that due to Giuliani’s lax enforcement of immigrations laws while Mayor of NYC, that he actually made it easier for some of the 9/11 hijackers to work, live and prepare for their dastardly attacks right in the heart of Brooklyn.

In some ways, it would not be too much of a stretch to define Rudy as the ‘20th hijacker’, as he helped to make the attacks possible through his own incompetence, negligence and malfeasance.


5 posted on 05/18/2007 7:56:25 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Reagan Man

Rudy was right - Ron was pandering to the lefties using the enemy’s talking points.


7 posted on 05/18/2007 7:57:25 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Had our own government not passed laws against American companies to force them to stop drilling here and crippled our own oil industry, we would not even be in the middle east for oil.


8 posted on 05/18/2007 7:57:37 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Reagan Man

Paul was factually correct, but who cares, we are there and in a fight. Let’s win the fight and then play the blame game later. Finger pointing now is not helpful, in fact it is down right stupid.


9 posted on 05/18/2007 8:05:35 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Chi-townChief

If Rudy was right then he would have to have some knowledge that no one else has.


10 posted on 05/18/2007 8:05:45 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Reagan Man

We did not start this war. We cannot stop this war. But, we have chosen the battlefield.

If we withdraw from this engagement of our choice, then the next choice of battlefield will be theirs.

Did you like their last choice?


11 posted on 05/18/2007 8:07:09 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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I don’t really care about their grievances. I just want to instill such fear that parents will kill their own children rather allow them to participate in terrorist actions...


12 posted on 05/18/2007 8:11:05 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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When Ron Paul said the 9-11 killers were "over here because we are over there,"

Don't care what Ronnie 'meant by' this. It was an idiotic statement.

13 posted on 05/18/2007 8:11:16 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Chi-townChief
Rudy was right

Yep, he was. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

14 posted on 05/18/2007 8:12:30 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: jveritas
We are not fighting in Iraq for the Iraqis, we are fighting for our freedom and our way of life and those of our children, grandchildren, and for many generations to come.

Exactly. However, too many, for a variety of reasons and agenda, prefer to focus on what got us there. We are beyond that point and should be focused on the things you cite.

15 posted on 05/18/2007 8:13:18 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: MEGoody

I hate that you used that line on Rudy.

But - damn - that’s a great line.

I’m taking it.


16 posted on 05/18/2007 8:13:32 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: mkjessup

I think that you just jumped it with your blame Rudy for 9-11 post. 9-11 was a Clinton masterpiece.

Rudy sucks as a candidate but let’s be reasonable okay?


17 posted on 05/18/2007 8:14:38 AM PDT by misterrob (Yankees Suck!)
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To: Reagan Man

Pat Buchanan is an isolationist nutball who jumped the shark in the mid 1990’s. Libertarians should rarely be taken seriously when it comes to foreign policy.


18 posted on 05/18/2007 8:14:51 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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Rudy, hopefully, was just grandstanding. He's "never heard" that the reasons AQ attacked the US on 9/11 was US policies in the middle east? Unbelievable for a guy who is trying to win the nomination based on his "expertise" on matters of fighting terrorism

Of course Ron Paul was correct. He just restated what every US intelligence expert has stated many times...that AQ exploits widespread Muslim dislike of US policies in the middle east. There is zero evidence for Rudy's position that we were attacked because Muslims "hate our freedom."

That is not to say the AQ's onjections to US policies mean we must abandon them...but we need to know that the threat of terrorism is a cost of those policies. This ridiculous "they hate our freedoms" line seems designed to try to convince Americans that there is no cost to foreign interventionism

As part of its global power position, the United States is called upon frequently to respond to international causes and and deploy forces around the world. America's position in the world invites attack simply because of its presence. Historical data show a strong correlation between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States
--The Defense Science Board 1997 Summer Study Task Force on DoD Responses to Transnational Threats

19 posted on 05/18/2007 8:15:01 AM PDT by Irontank (Ron Paul for President)
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To: Reagan Man
Puchanan as usual merely implies instead of directly comes out to say what is on his mind.

What does Rudy Giuliani think the political motive was for 9-11?
Why does there need to be a political motive to answer a Fatwa calling for the deaths of Americans everywhere? What happened to "lock and load" Puchanan? The islamo-facists are coming for him and he is looking for a political answer.

Dr. Paul alone opposed the war. He alone voted against the war. Have not the last five years vindicated him, when two-thirds of the nation now agrees with him that the war was a mistake
No. just more mis-interpretation.
Those "same" 2/3 polled just recently by CBSNews poll responded

When asked specifically about removing Saddam Hussein from power, 64% answer that the U.S. should have removed Saddam Hussein, but only 32% now say it was right to remain in Iraq to help the country build a new government there. 32% believe the U.S. should have removed Hussein and then left Iraq soon after that, and 34% that the U.S. should never have gotten involved in Iraq in the first place.

the primary focus of the debate is "nation building" and the role of the US in doing so. What does this mean for PJ Puchanan and Ron Paul? more disinformation and propaganda for the isolationist extremists still hanging on to Republican party sentimentalism...

20 posted on 05/18/2007 8:15:23 AM PDT by APRPEH (Hillary probably wouldn't approve, but I can live with that....)
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