Posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man
I hate to break this to you, but that's really been the case at ALL times.
Reagan Man:
Agreed
So, we agree, we must fight the terrorists on their home ground in the middle east.
Why can't we also fight them world wide as Paul advocated?
HR 3076 September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 (Introduced in the House); October 10, 2001 by Ron Paul
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/sept_11/hr3076_ih.htm
Ah yes, another lovely Buchanan thread, where facts are thrown out the window by hysterical FReepers in favor of the usual ad-hominems and Buchanan name-calling.
Of course it was.
It's the equivalent of grasping desperately at vines when you're sinking in the quicksand.
Rudy has no credibility on the WOT as well as all the other issues.
I can’t be certain, but things might have turned out better if Bush had asked for and the Congress granted him an official declaration of war. Of course then we would have been obligated to fight the battle for Iraq like it was a real war. The invasion was a huge success. The aftermath has been a difficult nut to crack. Its been handled with too much poltiical correctness. The US military is not a police force or a nation building contingent. Nor is it meant to spread “democracy” to the Islamic world. The US military is desgined to fight battle and win wars. Hopefully before Bush leaves office, we can get achieve some sort of success. I’d still like to see a strong and sizeable US presence left in Iraq for years to come. This WOT is gonna last a long time.
Right. But the U.S. military hasn’t fought a “real war” since 1945, so I don’t know why anyone would have expected this one to be any different.
Ron Paul's defenders are citing the likes of Scheuer and the 9-11 Omission. Not the best way to make their case.
A "well-known Arabist"? No...he doesn't believe that the USA is "controlled by ZOG"
What he does believe is that one-sided support by the US for Israel is a policy that undermines what should be the only foreign policy objective of the US (protecting it's citizens). I have never gotten the impression that Scheurer cares much one way or the other about Israel or the Arab world and what they do in their battle against each other...other than to the extent that it effects American interests...which is how it should be for every American and every American government official. But that more Americans focused only on the interests of our own country
He is critical of the power of the Israeli lobby...not because its Israel...but because it should trouble every American that there are powerful lobbies in Washington pushing the agendas of foreign nations. He's also been critical of the power of the Saudi lobby
Oh yeah, he’s right on this one but not on much else.
We’re in basic agreement on this one.
Although I did like the way Bush41 used overwhelming force to win the Gulf War. I know —— we didn’t go far enough for some. But that wasn’t the original objective. I think it was a smart move at the time. Historic hindsight is always 20/20.
I realize it’s quicker and easier, not to mention more fun, to insult people with whom you disagree, but I’ll ask anyway.
Please tell us on which points Buchanan is wrong, and why.
If you “don’t care” what the statement meant, how can you have an opinion on it?
Yeah, God forbid our foreign policy be conducted Constitutionally.
Such as??
He would need to have a direct line to Bin Laden.
Well, whether Ron Paul was partially right or not, his rhetoric was incoherent at best. I agree with Paul’s call for limited government and real tax reform. But the way he communicates his position on Iraq, is very troubling. I doubt he’ll be invited to any future debates.
More importantly in the long term. Rooty was given a huge soundbite success, one that he planned but didn’t deserve. Rooty was getting blasted on almost every issue. He needed something to obfuscate that truth and was handed it on a silver platter by Paul.
Everyone should read this article:
The textbooks paint an alarming picture of a regime that divides the world between "good" and "evil" forces that are destined to clash until a victory is reached. Since the evil and arrogant West seeks to destroy Iran, a war is inevitable. Iranians are hence tasked with a religious mission of fighting "evil" until the latter's final eradication, or, until the "good" camp is wiped out. In Ayatollah Khomeini's words, reproduced in an eleventh-grade textbook: "Either we shake one another's hand in joy at the victory of Islam in the world, or all of us will turn to eternal life and martyrdom.
The Iranian school textbooks reveal a frightening vision of an extremist regime that prepares its school children for another such episode -- an Armageddon-like global war against the West.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070214-093525-3000r.htm
The Ayatollah's words make it quite clear what they think -- either they win or they win anyway.
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