Posted on 05/18/2007 7:52:44 AM PDT by Reagan Man
I think Rooty`s outburst of indignation at Paul’s dumb remarks was a planned stunt. Rooty couldn’t control himself. He was looking for a bigtime soundbite and he got it. Too bad none of the other candidates were smart enough to call him on it.
This idea that Rooty was some type of hero after 9-11 is pure fallacy. The firemen, policemen, port authority employees and others were the real heroes of 9-11.
Since 9-11 Rooty has built a huge fortune and fame on what boils down to nothing more then pure mythology.
Actually, we are not really in the ME for oil, and never have been. Its a plausible sounding explanation that lends itself to leftist conspiracy theories, but we get most of our oil from three countries: The US, Mexico, and Canada.
Admittedly, if we drilled ANWAR, we could eliminate the ME from the equation entirely, but those countries would still be full of well-funded terrorists who wanted to destroy us, so that probably wouldn't be a very wise idea.
Well it's a fact that the goal of Muslims is to force all non Muslims to become Muslims. And their goal conflicts with our goal of preventing that from happening.So, what are we going to do about it? Just give up and go home and wait for the inevitable, or stand up and fight.
Was it because we are good and they are evil? Is it because they hate our freedom? Is it that simple?
It's amazing how many conservatives think that it is because of our (relative) freedom, and that we are hated simply because we are the "good guys".
By the same logic, the Union were the "good guys" in the Civil War - and Free Republic is full of neo-Confederates who haven't forgiven them 150 years later.
Try to change a people's way of life at gunpoint and you will be hated by the majority of those people, no matter how noble your motives. US military action should be limited to the elimination of threats to the US - which is all Ron Paul was saying.
The nation-building stuff was stupid under Clinton and it's stupid under Bush...and it would have been equally stupid in Germany and Japan had we not imposed ten-year-long military regencies on both nations and hanged anyone who didn't like it.
>While Rudy Tooty is getting all righteous about Ron Paul’s absurd babblings....<
Ron Paul was semi-correct. Bill Clinton did order selective bombings in Iraq, but those bombings did not continue for ten years.
Nope as I said, we stay and fight, I just wish we drop the PC rules of enagement and wage the war the old fashioned way.
OK. I know a guy who is mad at you and he's going to hurt you unless you give me $100.
So give me $100.
I promise I won't turn around and ask for $1000 later.
Ron Paul was only right in the sense that the Islamists hate us for existing. Maybe he can start the appeasement parade.
Then you should ring up Jeb Bush because some of them lived in Florida during their training as well.
That quickly ended the interview.
Agreed.
Osama bin Laden in his declaration of war in the 1990s said it was U.S. troops on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia, U.S. bombing and sanctions of a crushed Iraqi people, and U.S. support of Israel's persecution of the Palestinians that were the reasons he and his mujahideen were declaring war on us.
Not the fact that he said it at all. That's true. He did say it. The lie is the argument itself.
Usama Bin Laden does not care one iota about Saudi Arabia, Iraqi people, the Palestinians, Kyoto, western racism, or the conquest of Andalusia.
Al Qaida is a growing force worldwide because it's a parasite. It latches on to already existing conflicts, and draws their partisans into his ranks. From the jungles of the Philippines to the Sudanese plains to the hills of Chechnya to the streets of London. Bin Laden exploits regional conflicts, then offers them a worldwide religious context, and the resources of al-Qa'ida, to help fight their personal battle. AQ grants the power to fight back, allies to help them, and the conviction that God Himself is on their side.
Few Muslims would ever subscribe to al-Qa'idas' core philosophy on it's own. It's far more ugly and twisted than Wahabbism itself. But people fighting for their land, families or culture can become open to some very ugly and twisted things. Bin Laden knows this, and seeks out to these groups. He subverts their desperation and passion, and rechannels it against his enemies.
So is Ron Paul wrong in saying that UBL claimed the Iraq/Saudi rationale for declaring war? Not at all. He did claim it. Ron Paul is wrong because he takes it at face value, which is exactly the wrong way to look at it. If don't understand that UBL doesn't actually care about the specific grievances it claims, you're buying into the sales pitch, without understand the threat al-Qa'ida actually poses.
Iraq is a recruiting tool to Bin Laden, nothing more. If we leave, he'll find another. If we win, he'll find another. But what he won't do, ever, is stop. That's why Paul is wrong. Isolationism is absolutely no defense against AQ's Salafist goals.
"Paul was factually correct, but who cares, we are there and in a fight. Let’s win the fight and then play the blame game later.
Well that and they hate our easy access to ATMs. I know because Fox News and Sean Hannity told me. And instead of reading factual documentation, and having an understanding of history (past 1980), I'll just take their word for it....
Unfortunately too many people really think like that. To them St. Rudy was right and it's inconceivable that other nations may not always agree with our foreign policy
Please, no personal attacks.
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