“John McCain the main agent in the sale of America.”
I’d say he’s number 2, right after Bush.
Tied for #2...
Posted on 05/21/2007 3:39:25 AM PDT by Zakeet
It's understandable that the White House and its Senate negotiating partners want to rush through the compromise immigration bill they agreed to Thursday. Supporters acknowledge that the delicately balanced legislation could collapse if a single destructive amendment is attached to it. Its sponsors admit they want to minimize the political debate. "We all know this issue can be caught up in extracurricular politics unless we move forward as quickly as possible," says Sen. John McCain , a key architect of the bill.
But this is no way to debate the most sweeping change to our nation's immigration laws in two decades--especially since the last comprehensive attempt, the Immigration Reform and Control Act, failed so spectacularly. The new bill is set to pass with much less analysis in the Senate than the 1986 law, known as Simpson-Mazzoli, had. Senators did not even receive the bill draft until midnight Saturday. After a test vote scheduled for today, Majority Leader Harry Reid is planning a final vote on the bill this Thursday, only one week after the compromise was struck. Shouldn't senators have time to actually read the bill they're being asked to vote on?
Even a key supporter of the bill, Sen. Jon Kyl or Arizona, admitted to radio host Hugh Hewitt that "we don't have to rush the bill through the Senate in a week. . . . Hopefully, the majority leader would allow it to carry over beyond the Memorial Day recess so we could complete it."
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No matter how much you like George Bush ,and I do, His position on Illegals and immigration and dealing with Mexico are despicable.
“John McCain the main agent in the sale of America.”
I’d say he’s number 2, right after Bush.
Tied for #2...
Before the age of the Internet we had an age in which our elected representatives had to go mounted over rough roads with icy streams that must be forded. Sometimes they were luckier, but only marginally so, if they could ride in a carriage. John Adams had to literally risk his life on our behalf in his midwinter ocean crossings to get back and forth from Europe. There was no Internet then, no telephone, no telegraph, and the post was at best irregular. Nevertheless, the country was superbly represented.
Today we have the option of seeing it all in print in real time on the Internet but our own elected representatives foreclose us. Not surprisingly, we are less well represented today than we were 250 years ago.
I believe the Republican Party and with it the conservative movement is sleepwalking toward electoral disaster in 2008 and something must be done to shake up the party and the whole process. If this immigration bill is passed intact, or if we lose the election, we will face a time in the wilderness which will approach Moses' exile. I think John Fund has offered us an opening here not only to derail this ill-conceived immigration bill but to change the entire electoral process itself. Where is Newt Gingrich when we need him to scream to high heaven about the high handedness of this elitism? This is right up his futuristic alley.
Convert this incoate disaster into a crusade against Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and the entire elitist Democrat establishment. Here is our chance for a new contract with America. Is there not a reliable Republican who can write it?
45 years as a subscriber - that's an impressive length of time.
In addition, I stopped contributing to the Club for Growth because of its refusal to have a position on immigration.
A lot of Club for Growth supporters haven't noticed that fact.
“No matter how much you like George Bush ,and I do, His position on Illegals and immigration and dealing with Mexico are despicable.”
His illegal immigration stance is the tip of the iceberg, for me. I hope more stout supporters of this man might finally understand what he is doing to us internally.
The only reason the local governments are getting away with this is because the Fed's are letting them do so.
It is the responsiblity to make sure that the illegals don't get into America in the first place.
Those local areas are violating Federal law and are endanging national security.
So in many ways, I find the debate over federal law to be almost meaningless, simply because any law itself is going to be meaningless as long as states and municipalities can simply do what they want to thwart it. I sometimes find it ironic that Freepers, of all people, think the Federal government can wave a magic wand and everything will be alright.
They can do alot more than they are doing!
First, get control of the Border.
Second, get control of the student visa program.
The complaint by the Fed's is that they are short manpower and resources.
Alright, lets give them what they need, as we do our military and see what happens.
The local governments are not going to stand against the Federal government when it want something done that the majority of the people also want done.
This, of course, is directly the result of the Dem party, which sees this as a way of harvesting voters and works hard to keep its farm of captive immigrants. But except for one or two local initiatives I have read about recently, I have not seen anyone here complain about the level of government where these policies are actually happening.
I don't think anyone on this forum gives a free pass to those cities that are giving haven to the illegals.
However, the Federal government could end that very quickly by simply going in and taking them and deporting them.
The local governments could do nothing to stop that.
I am in favor of a guest worker program, btw, because most Mexicans actually want to be able to legally go back to Mexico after they have earned some money here. But the state and local Dems have a vested interest in keeping them here, so regardless of what Congress does, I don’t think there will be any change.
On that we agree.
I have no problem with a Mexican coming in as a legimate worker.
But they are not eligable for our social benefits, nor to become citizens.
Illegals have given up their ability to become U.S. citizens by ignoring its laws regarding immigration and employment.
I bet the Washington D.C. lawmakers fondly wish for the good ole days before computers, like 20 or 30 years ago, when they could pass new laws like this without the public having a clue.
The only new laws we need are: 1.Eliminate immigrant welfare, and 2. Eliminate citizenship for anchor or border babies.
Actually, I would like to have the opportunity to vote on this issue. Let them bring about several different bills, do a campaign of the differences, then let the American people decide. Lord knows our representatives are only interested in keeping their jobs, not doing what “We the People” want.
"That's right, I'm numero uno."
Wrong, John. We need border enforcement. When globalists argue that we can't round up 12 million illegals they are admitting that they have no intention of enforcing laws against employing illegals. If illegals can't get jobs, no one will have to round them up - they'll leave on their own. Got that Bill O'Reilly?
I'll say. McCain is number 2.
>>That’s like trying to eat an eight-course meal on a 15-minute lunch break,” said former senator Fred Thompson on ABC Radio Friday.<<
I would say it’s like trying to eat something that I wouldn’t think of putting in my hand, let alone my mouth.
TOUCHE’, Jim
There is not much of a need in many areas that require the legislating of NEW laws. Enforcement of laws already on the books is really all that is needed.
When will they get down to doing it, enforcing laws already in place?
All 854 miles of it!
Only then should we worry about “immigration reform”.
And in the mean time, keep deporting illegals and end “catch and release” programs.
Also, defund any “sanctuary cities” of federal funds.
Temporary Workers
Employers who wish to hire foreign workers to temporarily perform services or labor or to receive training may file an I-129 petition. The I-129 is mainly used for nonimmigrant categories; thus, in most cases, workers who enter the United States under this petition must depart the U.S. when their maximum period of stay has been reached. Form I-129 may also be used to petition for an extension of stay or change of status for certain nonimmigrants.
Good post, I too think that this Amnesty bill may be a Waterloo moment that is awakening the anger of the large and mostly conservative american middleclass...the Heartlanders so to speak. Accountability can now be more than just election time sloganeering...
The point that I am trying to make is that, unless we have a Federal police force that is going to be able to stop every passerby on the street, demand ID and take away those who are not legal residents, we are going to have to rely on states and municipalities to do their job. But they’re not doing it, and some of them are blatantly announcing that they won’t (the “sanctuary cities,” etc.).
The Ft Dix terrorists from Albania had been here illegally for something like 20 years, going all the way through the local school and healthcare systems, during which time it must surely have become obvious to somebody that they were not legal residents. But nothing ever happened to them, and it appears that there were never any reports of their illegal presence here - until their arrests.
Unless we have a level of federal surveillance and manpower that I don’t think anybody in this country wants, we’re going to have to know that local governments will monitor things and plan to enforce the law. But they don’t, and I see nothing that is likely to make them change. I don’t see anything in anybody’s suggestions that would be able to rein in the local governments without their claiming violation of their Constitutional powers. I think controlling funds to them for other things, dependent upon their cooperation, might help - but you know that’s not going to happen!
I do agree that the student visa situation, which could be monitored by the Feds, is completely out of control. These people have to apply to the Fed gov directly, report to authorities, etc., and yet they are allowed to simply disappear into the general population and do not seem to be actively pursued by anybody. Furthermore, I think it’s a real mistake to start issuing even more of these things. They’re just terrorist permits, particularly since we are actually increasing the quantities that we are issuing to the people and states that hate us the most. Even the proposal to admit only “more educated” workers is insane, because it means that we will be admitting more people dysfunctional Middle Easterners who have been “educated” to hate us even more.
Plug the dyke FIRST. Then pump out all the solids that seeped through. (sorry for the plumbing metaphor but it’s how I’m thinking today) Build the fence, enforce the laws.
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