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Rushed Immigration Bill Will Cost Taxpayers Trillions
Townhall ^ | May 22, 2007 | Amanda Carpenter

Posted on 05/22/2007 3:48:17 AM PDT by Kaslin

With only a “working draft” on hand, the Democrat Leadership opened debate Monday on the new immigration bill – a bill no one has seen a final version of.

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R.-Ala.) said, “It’s unthinkable we would pass this bill in one week. It’s not in bill language and we’ve had very little opportunity to study it. I think there will be every resistance to any plan to complete this bill this week.”

Over the weekend senators only had access to a draft of the bill for “discussion purposes only” which in small print ran over 300 pages. Once the working draft is put into proper legislative form, it’s expected to be anywhere from 800 to 1,000 pages long.

Because of the hurried way the immigration bill is being rushed through the Senate, no fiscal analysis has been completed to find out how much it will cost taxpayers. Closed-door negotiations over the bill took much longer than expected and in order to move forward without the final bill on hand. To buy time, Reid reintroduced last year’s abandoned immigration bill as a “placeholder” for the new bill last week. When it is ready, the new bill will be introduced as a “substitute amendment” to the “placeholder” immigration bill.

Because the new bill was not introduced as stand-alone legislation, it did not go through routine committee markup, fiscal analysis or congressional hearings. When he opened up the Senate floor Monday for debate on the bill, Reid said he had some “reservations” with the bill, but was ready to move forward on it. “Everyone agrees this bill is imperfect,” he said, “But what we have is a starting point.”

One of the most controversial points of the bill is the plan to issue illegal immigrants “z visas” that would give them legal working status. The “z visa” would be endlessly renewed as long as its holder paid the associated fines and passed criminal background checks. Critics say the hidden costs associated with giving low-skilled workers “z visas” would cost taxpayers trillions. For this reason Robert Rector, a Heritage Foundation senior research fellow, said “this is the most expensive bill the U.S. taxpayer has ever seen.”

In March 2006, nearly 9.3 million adult illegal immigrants were living inside the United States. Most of them did not have a high school education, or were “low-skilled.” On average in fiscal year 2004, each low-skilled immigrant household consumed $30,160 in government benefits and services, but only paid on average $10,573 in taxes each.

“They never contribute more than they take out and at retirement they become very costly,” Rector said in Capitol Hill press conference on Monday with Sessions, Sen. Jim Bunning (R.-Ky.) and Rep. Bill Bilbray (R.-Calif.).

Rector explained, “Every person that gets the Z visa, and that would be about 12 million people, 9 million of which are adults--is immediately eligible for Social Security. They start to contribute to that system. They start to earn eligibility for Medicare. The White House has claimed they don’t get welfare benefits. That is absolutely untrue. For the first 10 years or so they are in the country, the adults would not get welfare benefits, but the children would. They are going to be here for fifty years. For the first 10 years they don’t get means tested welfare, but for the next forty they are going to be eligible for every single type of means tested welfare.”

Rector said it would cost the government $2.4 trillion to pay out these benefits to z visa holders. He characterized the bill as an “amnesty bill with a blank check on the U.S. taxpayer.” Entitlement programs, like Social Security and Medicare programs, are already on pace to go bankrupt due to the exploding costs of retiring baby-boomers. Rector said adding the additional retirement costs of a low-skilled population to these programs would be a “financial catastrophe.”

Bunning, who opposes the bill, suggested it could be temporarily delayed by asking the Senate Reading Clerk to read the bill text into congressional record. “If someone says to the Reading Clerk that ‘I object to the bill and you have to read it word for word’ then it won’t come tonight will it? That’s a possibility that could occur.” Bunning would not say he would make this request. He speculated that regardless of such a move the cloture vote would come sometime before Wednesday.

“Unless the White House and the leadership of the Senate agree, we will be here past the end of the week and we will not get a vote before Memorial Day,” he said. “If they decide to stonewall it and just get a bill to conference committee, then I say this bill would be passed by the end of the week.”

Monday evening, the Senate voted 69-23 to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed on the immigration bill. After passage, Leader Reid and Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R.-KY.) pledged that the Senate would spend two weeks debating and amending the bill.

Amanda Carpenter is National Political Reporter for Townhall.com..


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1 posted on 05/22/2007 3:48:19 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Disgusting.


2 posted on 05/22/2007 3:55:17 AM PDT by New Girl
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To: Kaslin

Politicians (With pensions and other benefits paid by the tax payer for life plus kickbacks from their “work”) don’t care, the tax payer will pay.


3 posted on 05/22/2007 3:56:19 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Kaslin

They’ve all gone nuts on the Hill.

Insanity reigns.

What’s their rush.?


4 posted on 05/22/2007 3:56:50 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: Kaslin

Meanwhile..the DBM is doing little intelligently inform the citizens of the real contents of this bill. Just the emotions.
We need to inform our friends and enemies of the contents..tell the people you know it will impact.
Tell them to write congress and the GOP.
No Amnesty..


5 posted on 05/22/2007 3:58:07 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rollo tomasi

Pres. Bush waving goodbye to the GOP, his credibility on border security, and his loyal conservative base.

6 posted on 05/22/2007 4:07:30 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: sgtbono2002
They’ve all gone nuts on the Hill. Insanity reigns.

So true ! In this whole debate so far, I have not heard anyone talking about the real problem. Congress is trying to figure out how to accomodate all the illegals when they should be pressuring the hell out of MEXICO to clean up their country and make it desirable for their people to STAY IN MEXICO ! Sorta seems like this big picture view is totatlly missed.

I think CWII is not too far away...

7 posted on 05/22/2007 4:13:06 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: Kaslin

This may sound strange, but this rush job reminds of a book I read years ago in which two greedy relatives kept tricking this old senile rich guy into signing papers without him reading them first.


8 posted on 05/22/2007 4:21:08 AM PDT by Baladas
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To: Diogenesis

bttt


9 posted on 05/22/2007 4:33:44 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: sgtbono2002
What’s their rush.?

They were hoping to get this POS passed without us sheeple knowing the horrible, massively expensive details.

I'm praying that won't happen. Keep calling your rep and Senators. I'm calling all three once a day.

10 posted on 05/22/2007 4:34:14 AM PDT by upchuck (Who will support Fred Thompson? Anyone who enjoys a dose of common sense not wrapped in doublespeak.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not just the social programs that will be hit, the over burdened criminal justice system will also take a big hit. WE know that under educated, fatherless, low income individuals are responsible for most of the crime committed now.


11 posted on 05/22/2007 4:37:43 AM PDT by GailA (Proud to admit I'm a quilt-a-holic.)
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To: rollo tomasi

And now we must add the ELITES – and elite wannabes — in the Senate de Estados Unitos to the list of those who have sold out our formerly sacred birthright.

As early as 10 years ago, when he was my representative, I was a regular at Newt’s Town Hall Meetings where I spoke in support of the FairTax. 70% or more of the others who took the mike were visibly ANGRY ABOUT THE FAILURE TO STOP THE GROWING FLOW OF ILLEGALS! (At several sessions, Newt suggested the 100,000 IRS agents be given weapons and sent down to the border with Mexico.)

Under Bush, that flow became a TORRENT!

I attempted to phone Isakson’s and Chambliss’ Senate offices on 5-21-07. In both cases, my call was dumped into a voice mailbox – where a cheery female voice informed me “The mailbox is full.”

They CLEARLY don’t care WHAT we think

JUST DON’T FORGET IN NOVEMBER ’08!

In ABSTRACT terms, this is the conspiratorial view of what’s going on vis-à-vis the INVASION of the illegals here:

The current alien invasion from the south serves BOTH the elites who run Mexico – and many of the OTHER states of Central and South America — and the political ruling class who increasingly run the United States:

· It takes pressure off the 60 or so families who control approximately 80% of the wealth in Mexico. Without the northern “safety valve” (the United States) for their poor, those poor MIGHT be inclined to do what America’s early colonists found it necessary to do: Revolt! Parenthetically, that would be MY suggestion for them: Instead of fleeing here – and converting “here” to a larger, more poverty infested version of “there,” they ought to stay there and make “there” into their version of “here,” whatever that would be. Revolutions ARE messy and there are no guarantees that they will produce the desired result. But – according to one T. Jefferson – they are often necessary. Never forget that THIS country was born in revolution!

· For the NAFTA/CAFTA coveting US national ruling class – especially those who, in varying degrees, quest after some sort of One-World utopia run by guess who? – it provides yet another level of insecurity and tension among the indigenous populace which can be used to justify new and more draconian limits to freedom here. Instead of securing the borders, allow millions of illegals to come in and when the natives become alarmed, require a national ID card. “Your papers, please!” will soon become a phrase familiar to all. It’s Mr. Franklin’s trade of freedom for (false) security. It’s also the time-tested Hegelian Dialectic the One-Worlders have successfully worked like a rented mule.

While they occasionally squabble among themselves, the elites of history have ALL had one thing in common: They will do ANYTHING to remain in charge. And throughout that history, except for the 230 year-old experiment in freedom called “America,” most of the men who have walked the earth have lived as slaves to these elites whether they call themselves kings, emperors, potentates, sultans, czars – or presidents.

Get ready, folks. Unless some SERIOUS changes are made and the handful of Americans who CARE about liberty get involved, that history will almost certainly repeat here.

Now for the SPECIFICS of the matter:

My take on Bush’s role in all of this is:
1. His long and apparently positive experience with the large hispanic population in Texas is largely responsible for his inaction on this alien invasion. And why wouldn’t HIS experience with them be positive as he traveled in the highest, best-educated circles among them, not the Hispanic gangbangers and pine-straw spreaders...
2. His brother Jeb is married to a native of Mexico and his nieces and nephews are mixed blood. And before you scream “ethnocentric bigot” at me, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. But that fact — and the first item — DOES predispose him to a warm and fuzzy feeling for folks from south of the Rio Grande.
And if — in some strange and metastasizing American desire for a new royal family dynasty — Jeb should win the White House, I’d bet that HIS activities toward this alien invasion will make W’s behavior look like a warm-up exercise.

Any vestige of white European culture will be a distant memory.


12 posted on 05/22/2007 5:20:03 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: upchuck

I have called also,but to be honest, I believe we are wasting our time.

The Waste matter that contaminates the halls of Congress dont sem to care what Americans want in their headlong rush for the Hispanic vote. They are being paid by big business to get them cheap labor,and by damned they are going to do it.


13 posted on 05/22/2007 5:22:08 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I'm gonna vote for Fred. John Bolton for VP.)
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To: Kaslin

save


14 posted on 05/22/2007 5:37:12 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: sgtbono2002

“I have called also,but to be honest, I believe we are wasting our time.”

SOMETHING caused them to slow down the timetable for this bill. I suspect it was the calls they have been receiving.

We MUST keep up the pressure, or the bill WILL become law.

We simply cannot give up!


15 posted on 05/22/2007 5:37:51 AM PDT by EEDUDE (The more I know, the less I understand...)
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To: Kaslin
ANY immigration bill will cost trillions..
And do about as much as the last immigration bill..

Why should I have any confidence in this bill?
The last "amnesty" bill was supposed to cure all ills..
It apparently did nothing.

I see no enforcement of existing immigration law which leads me to believe that a new set of laws makes no sense, it just costs money..

Show me existing law being fully enforced, and no results.
Then we (and congress) can talk about new laws.
I figure about 20 years of enforcement should do the trick.

Until then, no "new" laws..

16 posted on 05/22/2007 6:30:14 AM PDT by Drammach ("If you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." -- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Dick Bachert
I agree, Pres. Bush's life experiences have led him to "feel sorry" for those who cross the border by seeking a better life.

Problem is the Federal Government was not designed as a meals on wheels program/cradle to grave care for illegals as well as legal citizens.

Once you steal from the tax payer in order to subsidize legal citizens, subsidizing the illegals is the next logical step. Only way to change this huge bureaucracy is sadly another revolution (Got to be very quiet).
17 posted on 05/22/2007 6:43:25 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

I wonder how long it will take “Fatherlandt Security” forces to come around and make that 3 am “dynamic entry” into our homes for saying this stuff.

If my posts stop, I’ll probably be “vacationing” at Gitmo.

As Voltaire warned “It is dangerous to be right when the state is wrong.”

Indeed it is.


18 posted on 05/22/2007 6:49:23 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Kaslin
What happens when they become citizens?

Will they demand minimum wage?

Will they demand unemployment and disability benefits?

They can't do back breaking work forever.. Then what?

sw

19 posted on 05/22/2007 6:51:02 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: Kaslin
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

20 posted on 05/22/2007 7:43:51 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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