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The animosity was earned, Mark. (Barf Alert)
Macsmind ^ | 5-18-2007 | Harold C. Hutchinson (former freeper hchutch)

Posted on 05/22/2007 11:00:39 AM PDT by jmc813

Mark Levin’s opening comment, quoted by K-Lo, deserves a response.

He seems to be upset that there might be some animosity aimed at conservatives. Well, Mark, it’s earned animosity. And if he ever bothers to read this, maybe he might understand the animosity a little.

You see, Mr. Levin, it starts out with a clear reading of election returns. After a hard line was taken on immigration by House Republicans, we lost the House, largely due to independent voters, moderates, and Hispanics not voting for Republican candidates. As a result, we are dealing with Speaker Pelosi, who has not only endeavored to re-enact the Fairness Doctrine, but has also tried to weaken the motion to recommit, and who is also slow-walking funds that our troops in harm’s way need to carry the Iraqi campaign of the global war on terror to victory.

The short version, you failed, and to paraphrase Ernst Stavro Blofeld in You Only Live Twice, “This profession [politics] does not tolerate failure.” Yet you seem to be demanding that the GOP continue to pursue a course that led to disaster. The signs were obvious. In an attempt to purge Chris Cannon, the challenger netted 44.2% - and lost. In Arizona’s 8th district, Randy Graf won, but with only 42.2% of the vote - the win came because two moderates split the vote. Not being able to break 45% in two primaries, one of them in one of the most conservative districts in the country should have been a warning, Mark. You did not heed it.

But that is not the only reason there’s animosity, Mark. Something else is causing it: The rhetoric that has been aimed at those of us who support comprehensive immigration reform from your side of this issue. Not just Tom Tancredo claiming we are selling out America. It’s the insinuations of treason, Mark. It’s being accused of being an “agent of Mexico“. It’s being called a Quisling.

Now, I can handle a disagreement, Mark. But calling me a traitor crosses a big line. I’m not inclined to forgive that quickly. Forgetting is also very difficult. In fact, quite frankly, it is something I’m inclined to go to the mat over.

If you want the animosity gone, Mark - start calling out the rhetoric of those folks. Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement. My co-blogger and I had a strong disagreement recently. I discussed that disagreement and how it stayed civil. Maybe Mark can pick up a few pointers about how to debate from that exchange.


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To: jmc813

Even if this guy is right about why the Republicans lost, he’s still wrong. He’s thinking like a ‘Rat, who thinks everything is about holding onto power in Washington. These types think it is OK to sell out their constituents and the entire rest of the country in order to hold onto their seats.


21 posted on 05/22/2007 11:46:50 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: jmc813
Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement.

I'm sure this opinion is mission-critical to Mark and the show.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 11:46:57 AM PDT by IslandJeff
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To: jmc813
Keep your side civil, and maybe I won’t feel so uncharitable over this disagreement.

If you struggle, it's only going to hurt more...

23 posted on 05/22/2007 11:57:35 AM PDT by gridlock (How often must environmentalism have negative consequences before we stop calling them unintended?)
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To: jmc813; holdonnow

Civil. He wants civil discourse, does he?

Well now. Let’s examine where civil discourse has brought us to, regarding ILLEGAL immigration.

It’s brought us years of broken promises, laws deliberately not upheld and thousands of people illegally crossing our borders. This- in a post 9/11 world is appalling, and decidedly uncivilized.

Civil discourse is a good way to discuss ideas as you lead up to conclusions, compromises and debates. It’s wise to do this well in advance of an attempt to cram a piece of legislation down the halls of congress, that’s been drawn up in secret with a handful of senators who are hoping to bypass full hearings.

So. I submit if we’d stayed civil these last 5 days, we might well be watching the Senate vote on the bill itself before Memorial Day.

Instead... We’ve hollered and cursed and shouted and yelled. We’ve been...”uncivil” to our opponents.

Thank God.


24 posted on 05/22/2007 12:05:58 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: jmc813
After a hard line was taken on immigration by House Republicans, we lost the House, largely due to independent voters, moderates, and Hispanics not voting for Republican candidates.

I am tired of hearing this argument from open borders "Republicans." If the only way to make sure Hispanics vote Republican (as they never have heretofore) is to bend and break our immigration laws for them, how come blacks don't vote Republican? Didn't a Republican Administration free the slaves? If giving a voting bloc freedom to obey the law is no guarantee of political support, how can giving another voting bloc freedom to ignore the law guarantee support? How can a breach of faith with America's citizens be the basis for a relationship of trust and support with non-citizens?

25 posted on 05/22/2007 12:15:34 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("...stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you..." -Deut. 21:21)
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To: pgyanke
They didn't lose because they took a tough stance on the border, they lost because they took a too-little, too-late position on everything--including the border! They lost because they governed as Democrat-lite! They lost because their base didn't see any difference in their choices.

Note to GOP candidates: When you get elected to do something... DO IT!

Damn skippy!

26 posted on 05/22/2007 12:17:35 PM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: jmc813; jmyrlefuller

what a fool. If he had any ah, gumption, yeah, gumption, he’d call Mark’s show and try throwing that at the fan.

Good luck with that.

Thanks for the ping. jmryle will be hosting this evening. He may be interested.


27 posted on 05/22/2007 12:40:48 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: jmc813

No one. He’s not nutz about McCain.


28 posted on 05/22/2007 12:41:55 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: MrB

Go to Control Congress.com

Absolutely no supervision and loaded with lefties.


29 posted on 05/22/2007 12:43:29 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: EricT.

Amen, EricT. Exactly right.


30 posted on 05/22/2007 12:45:38 PM PDT by HonestConservative (just a racist xenophobe with a dream)
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To: jmc813

He needs to get over himself.


31 posted on 05/22/2007 1:25:44 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: pgyanke
What a load of bilge. You want to know why the GOP lost last November, you panty-waist?

I think they lost because of the so-called "new tone."

32 posted on 05/22/2007 1:28:01 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops without actually being helpful to them.)
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To: gogeo
I think they lost because of the so-called "new tone."

Fundamentally, I agree. If you won't challenge your opposition and stand up for your own agenda... no one will.

33 posted on 05/22/2007 1:36:45 PM PDT by pgyanke (Duncan Hunter 08--You want to elect a conservative? Then support a conservative!)
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To: jmc813
It’s being called a Quisling.

That is an insult to Quisling. Quisling probably wouldn't have cooperated with the Nazis if he believed their goal was the exterminate the Norwegian people and culture. That IS the goal of the open borders crowd.

People who want to erase the national borders are traitors, period.

Know-nothings, restrictionists, isolationists, Nazis, racists and xenophobes are just a few of the charming names thrown about by the open borders crowd.

34 posted on 05/22/2007 2:15:03 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: jmc813

Wow, he quotes and admires Blofeld. A fictional character.

Good grief. Barf is right.


35 posted on 05/22/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Armed men are citizens, unarmed men subjects. Gun control is about CONTROL.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Mark does not support anyone who is “pro-illegal.” At all.


36 posted on 05/22/2007 7:45:57 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Armed men are citizens, unarmed men subjects. Gun control is about CONTROL.)
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To: jmc813
This guy used to be one of FR's token liberals.

Appropriate. Since he's dead wrong. Again.

37 posted on 05/22/2007 7:46:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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