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Question regarding Democrats and illegal immigration/free trade?

Posted on 05/22/2007 8:03:14 PM PDT by Pencil

Why is it that the same Democrats who oppose deporting illegal immigration and support amnesty (i.e. John Edwards, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Barack Obama) also oppose free trade and capitalism abroad with foreign countries?

I understand the Republicans who oppose both free trade and illegal immigration. But those who support illegal immigration, yet oppose free trade, seem to only support the concept of criminality.

Any answers to this question?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist

1 posted on 05/22/2007 8:03:16 PM PDT by Pencil
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To: Pencil

AFL-CIO. The unions hold the answers to all your questions, grasshopper.


2 posted on 05/22/2007 8:09:42 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Pencil

With democrats it appears to be a matter of guilt. They want to give the world to the poor out of a desperate need to appear benevolent.

With republicans it more a matter of fairness. They realize that the illegals are taking something they have no right to take. Also with most the trade issue is more a matter of fair trade. We’re getting cheated on trade.


3 posted on 05/22/2007 8:09:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: cripplecreek

Fairness? A Republican virtue, or a Democrat buzzword? Think about it. Republicans believe in equal chances, not “fair” chances.


4 posted on 05/22/2007 8:16:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Pencil

Those dems aren’t consistent about it though.Ted Kennedy has voted for some and against others. Depends on who’s got him in their pocket on a particular issue I suppose. I didn’t see it on this site, but didn’t he vote for NAFTA?

Ted Kennedy on Free Trade
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Ted_Kennedy_Free_Trade.htm

Voted YES on granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam.
Vote to grant annual normal trade relations status to Vietnam. The resolution would allow Vietnamese imports to receive the same tariffs as those of other U.S. trading partners.
Reference: Bill HJRES51 ; vote number 2001-291 on Oct 3, 2001

Voted YES on removing common goods from national security export rules.
Vote to provide the president the authority to control the export of sensitive dual-use items for national security purposes. The bill would eliminate restrictions on the export of technology that is readily available in foreign markets.
Reference: Bill S149 ; vote number 2001-275 on Sep 6, 2001

Voted YES on permanent normal trade relations with China.


5 posted on 05/22/2007 8:17:07 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Pencil
Immigrant advocacy and labor groups also oppose the terms of a new guest worker program in which low-skilled immigrants would be forced to leave the country after temporary stints and would have limited opportunities to stay and get on a path to permanent legalization.

"Without a real path to legalization, the program will exclude millions of workers and thus ensure that America will have two classes of workers, only one of which can exercise workplace rights," said John J. Sweeney, the AFL-CIO president.

With legalization - amnesty - the unions can swell their ranks, bring in more members to increase power and UNION DUES.

What the one special interest group that in the past, now and forever OWNS the Democrat Party?

It's not about the members they now represent, it's about the dues they're not yet receiving.

6 posted on 05/22/2007 8:21:41 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Pencil

Just as elected politicians have sold out their voters, so has union leadership sold out the rank in file. Clinton betrayed union workers by signing NAFTA. I have often asked union members why they continued to support Clinton through impeachment after he sold them out on NAFTA, the answer was they felt they had no where else to go. I now appreciate the feeling, just as union members are trapped in the Democrat party, fiscal conservatives and nationalists are trapped in the big spending, internationalist amnesty party of Republicans run by Rockefeller Republicans calling themselves compassionate conservatives and pimping for the likes of Vincente Fox and Teddy Kennedy.


7 posted on 05/22/2007 8:22:01 PM PDT by Biblebelter (I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
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To: Biblebelter

That’s one thing I cannot understand. If Big Labor feels it was sold down the river by the Dems on NAFTA, shouldn’t it fear it will be sold down the river on immigration? I just don’t get it . . . unless the unions are convinced they can unionize the immigrants. I just don’t see that as a certainty.


8 posted on 05/22/2007 8:26:17 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Probably because Big Labor bosses care about as much for their members as Republican overseers care about middle-class conservatives...mho.


9 posted on 05/22/2007 8:32:10 PM PDT by teldon30 (disgruntled 2nd class)
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To: 1rudeboy
unless the unions are convinced they can unionize the immigrants

Of course they are convinced they can. Go look at the AFL-CIO's website. Half of it is in spanish and they have an entire section devoted to immigration.

Follow the money on amnesty and it takes you to John Sweeney's wallet.

10 posted on 05/22/2007 8:40:14 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: Pencil
Why is it that the same Democrats who oppose deporting illegal immigration and support amnesty . . . also oppose free trade

Probably because free trade between USA and Mexico, flooded Mexico with cheap produce from our factory farms.

Since that cheap USA produce put Mexican farmers out of work, they sneak in here or starve.

So ending free trade would solve the illegal immigrant problem because those Mexican farmers could go back to Mexico to raise crops again.

11 posted on 05/22/2007 9:19:56 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: 1rudeboy

What I am saying is that the union members are as disconnected from their union leaders, as citizens are from their elected officeholders. I voted for Jorge Bush but we are NOT on the same page when it comes to education, balanced budgets, prescription drug benefits, and AMNESTY. So it is with the Unions, the leadership is disconnected and unrepresentative to those from who they collect the dues. One thing must be added, as you know when the American people are polled they are overwhelmingly against AMNESTY. That means there are a lot of Democrat voters who against amnesty. The stumbling block to Amnesty is not in the Senate or in the White House, it is in the Democratically controlled House of Representatives. There are at least 40 Democrat house members who understand voting for this sham of a Bill in any form means electoral suicide. Elites in this country are calling the shots, and there are elites in union leadership just as there are elites in government and every heavily funded special interest. The COMMON INTEREST in this nation is unrepresented but still somewhat feared by a few politicians in the House who cannot buy office as easily as the super rich Senators, and do not have the luxury of depending on voter amnesia taking place over a six year term.


12 posted on 05/22/2007 9:47:23 PM PDT by Biblebelter (I can't believe people still watch TV with the sound on.)
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To: Age of Reason

That’s an interesting approach to foreign policy: we should hamstring the U.S. economy, and specifically the U.S. agricultural sector, so that Mexican peasant farmers might find work peasant farming in Mexico?


13 posted on 05/23/2007 4:38:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Age of Reason
I mean, wouldn't it be simpler to build a wall? And what's with the assumption that an employed peasant is likely to be satisfied to remain a peasant, whereas an unemployed peasant will illegally-emigrate to the U.S. in order to better his economic condition? How much more likely to be satisfied?
14 posted on 05/23/2007 4:45:19 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Pencil

Free trade does not bring any extra dim votes, that’s why...


15 posted on 05/23/2007 10:02:29 AM PDT by bmw_n_me (Keep working! Millions depend on your welfare!)
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