Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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Authoritarian government? Until they walked out the South pretty much ran the government. If it was authoriarian then weren't they responsible?
I imagine that if we’d lost the Revolution against the British Empire, it would be referred to similarly.
(chuckle)
great post.
You think the South lost???
You haven't ever driven around, say, downtown Detroit, and compared it to any Southern city, have you?
LOL!
“Yeeeehhhaaawwwwwhh - The Sauth weeel rahs ahgeeen!
And what lose?”
Lose what? Manufacturing jobs? No, that’s the north. Gun rights? No that’s the north. Republican votes? No, that’s everywhere BUT the South. Population? No that the east and west coasts.
“The South will rise again” is not a military statement, it’s a social and economic one that is proving quite accurate.
‘I always pictured the General Grant as more of a GTO.’
A steamroller would be more appropriate, based on how he eventually won the war.
That's the problem with starting a war. You can't guarantee that you'll win or where the fighting would be. When all y'all rise again you might want to remember that.
An appropriate vehicle for getting plastered and then driving well in excess of the speed limit.
(Don't know that Grant drank much while he was president, but his speeding was the bane of the D.C. police department.)
What it means is, “Eat musket lead”.
“A steamroller would be more appropriate, based on how he eventually won the war.”
You mean with an industrial base run be what were essentially slaves?
Robots are more profitable, reliable, and ethical.
Black folk have been automated out of the role.
I have no doubt that it would. But we didn't lose our revolution while the South, well, you all did lose yours.
I am in total agreement with you. Just as an aside; the “Stars and Bars” is the official Confederate flag. What everyone flies is the Confederate Battle flag. This flag was originally flown by naval vessels and later used by the Confederate land forces.
Nearly every able bodied male in my husband’s family tree served proudly in the Conferate Army. To this day, we fly the Confederate Flag in honor of their service as well as placing the flag on their graves on Memorial Day.
I’m tired of people “making somethin’ where there isn’t nothin’” with regard to the Confederate Flag.....
In fact, when I lived in Virginia, I knew folks who always said “The South didn’t lose the war, we’re only taking a break....”
‘Slavery existed almost a hundred years under the Stars and Stripes, but I guess this ignorant writer doesn’t know that.’
Yep, and the Democratic Party was A Okay with it, even during the war, as late as the 1864 election cycle, which feature George McClellan as their Presidential nominee. McClellan pledged to end the war, and allow the South to form its own nation and maintain slavery.
I’ve found it stunning the ‘black leaders’ don’t show up at Gettysburg every July....and at Antietam/Sharpsburg, and Shiloh, and Vicksburg and of course Appromatox every April.
Wasn’t 600,000 dead, and 1.2 million wounded enough?
We all lost that war. It was the beginning of the end of government “for the people, by the people and of the people”.
Oh, and the Revolution was ours too. Unless you’re going to tell my ancestors that fought in it that they were fighting for the North.
“The South will rise again” is not a military statement, it’s a social and economic one that is proving quite accurate.”
You are correct, my friend. I am a Yankee by birth, a Rebel by choice, and must say I am quite pleased to see that the South is rising - now - right before our very eyes.
Actually, they were fighting to keep the federal government within its Constitutional boundaries.
You mean like...New Orleans? Even pre-Katrina?
Was it worth 1,000,000 of you Northerners to keep the South in the Union???
There was no we as far as Kansas was concerned, since it didn't exist. Your Kansans came from elsewhere, both north and south, and was quite the tumultuous place in that era, moreso than many states. So, don't go wrapping yourself in the Revolution, as if it were uniquely yours. That war was won in South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. I know it's hard for you, but try to remember that.
In Germany, the Nazi flag and the Swastika, the political symbols of the Nazis, are banned.
However, the Iron Cross, which was and is the symbol of the German warrior and equivalent to the Confederate Battle Flag, is still in use as the honored symbol of the German warrior.
Iron Crosss, World War One Era
Iron Crosss, World War Two Era
Iron Crosss, Post-World War Two Era
Once you allow the race baiters to demonize the Confederate Battle Flag, Old Glory is next.
“Shows how very little you know about the South. It also shows what kind of bigot you are.”
I often disagree with you, but in this case you have it EXACTLY RIGHT.
BTTT!
Like, say, New Orleans?
Brings back memories for me. In the rust belt 1983 - I was 19, drove a ‘72 chevelle with a rebel flag plate on the front. Lived in a racially-mixed area and had several black friends. Never thought of it as a racial thing but as a ‘question authority’ - ‘rebel’ type of thing.
“A steamroller would be more appropriate, based on how he eventually won the war.”
‘You mean with an industrial base run be what were essentially slaves?’
Ah, no.
I meant if you are going to assign a vehicle to represent U.S. Grant, a steamroller is more appropriate than a GTO. Grant understood the unique advantage of the North in the war that was, until he assumed overall command, never utilized effectively. Which is why the war lasted four years, instead of 18 months in my opinion.
Grant put all the Union armies into motion at the same time, something Lincoln had wanted from each of the previous generals. The refusal to coordinate in every theater allowed the Confederates to ‘hold in place’ in one theater of the war and reinforce wherever the Union was attacking heaviest. For example, Lee detailed Longstreet’s corps to Tennessee at one point to stop Rosecrans and force him back into Chattanoga where his army almost starved before Grant opened the ‘cracker line’. The only reason Lee was able to do this was the lack of concerted action on all fronts, specifically in this instance the ‘eastern theater’ (Virginia).
Grant ‘steamrolled’ the South in short. Which is why the war ended so quickly after he assumed command (comparatively).
Sure and The South Postpones Rising Again For Yet Another Year.
“Never thought of it as a racial thing but as a ‘question authority’ - ‘rebel’ type of thing.”
People used to be less stupid.
“Ah, no.”
It was the industrial base of the North that gave them victory. Do you deny this?
If not, then why are you arguing the point?
The civil war was actually fought more over state’s rights than anything else. Slavery was present in states that didn’t secede. Lincoln’ emancipation proclamation only freed the slaves in those states in rebellion. Lincoln himself said he would keep slavery if it would save the union.
I'm a Yankee and I agree.
Sherman carried out Grants plan very very well. Had Banks not gotten himself bottled up in the Bermuda Hundred, the war would have ended in 1864 in my opinion.
ROFLMAO!
Suuuure it does:
Mine eyes have seen the glory Of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning Of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
(ending)
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free;
While God is marching on.
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Do you think "Rock-a-by-Baby" means everyone should have an abortion?
A D.C. cop once pulled him over then was covered with confusion when he realized who he'd stopped. "Officer, do your duty," said Grant. He always paid the piper for his dancing. And he was a brave man, refusing narcotics for pain from his throat cancer so he could finish his autobiography to support his family.
Full disclosure: I'm as southern as they come, but my cousin Julia Dent married U.S. Grant. She must have seen something in him.
It upsets liberals to no end....so yes, it is cool to fly it. :)
If for no other reason!
FUBU?
OK, so had the South won would the slogan be "government of 2/3rds of the people, by 2/3rds of the people, for 2/3rds of the people?" You want to claim that your rebellion was for freedom and liberty? Fine, but don't forget to mention that your rebellion was launched in no small part to keep a considerable part of your population from enjoying that very same freedom and liberty that you claim to have been fighting for.
‘It was the industrial base of the North that gave them victory. Do you deny this?’
If that was the whole case, the war would have ended long before Grant’s promotion. It didn’t, because the leadership and the tactics employed prior to his advancement in rank did not utilize the overwhelming numerical advantages in all areas.
‘If not, then why are you arguing the point?’
I’m not ‘arguing the point’ I’m noting the topic was, as silly as it will read - ‘Grants tactics resembled a steamroller more than a GTO’.
Thats all.
” OK, so had the South won would the slogan be “government of 2/3rds of the people, by 2/3rds of the people, for 2/3rds of the people?””
What was in the Constitution agreed to by all the colonies in 1783? The above.
“Fine, but don’t forget to mention that your rebellion was launched in no small part to keep a considerable part of your population from enjoying that very same freedom and liberty that you claim to have been fighting for”
Lincoln didn’t fight the war to end slavery. If you had clue one you’d understand that.
Well if you're going to make numbers up why not ask if it was worth 10,000,000 Northerners or 100,000,000 Northerners?
It was only a very few years after the war that folks were getting together on battlefields for reenactments and picnics. Men in Blue and Gray would willingly sit down at the dinner table and break bread together.
In other nations, you see deep animosities that periodically result in pogroms, and general death and mayhem.
Sure, we still have regional rivalries, but that's fairly natural, and pre-existed the War Between the States anyway.
One of the truely tragic results of the war was the huge general increase in federal government power that has only grown since.
The War between the states was about state’s rights, an issue whch is still highly relevant today...I understand those who think of the Stars and Bars as a racial issue because the issue of slavery, among other things, was one of the issues that brought states’ rights issues to the forefront. However, it was states’ rights, and the federal government has been an ever increasing monolith, and states’ rights are being eroded every year. Think how much freedom the ssttes would have if the federal funding system did not deny funds to those states who did not agree?
I also therefore understand the talk of the South will rise again...Life is so full of nuance, isn’t it?
The South had help in Europe and some industry of its own. It was logistics that gave the North and advantage.
It helped to have generally better military leadership.
“...overwhelming numerical advantages in all areas.”
So, that’s why they had to force conscription of people just off the boat.
already done. I saw it Mopar Collector’s Guide a few months back!!
Well, well ... aren't you just a ball of confusion this morning. You do know who insisted upon that whole 2/3 thing, don't you? (Hint: it wasn't southerners)
I’m half-Yankee and half-Reb and I’m proud of the heritage of both sides of the family.
“To me it’s a flag of one of the enemies of the United States.”
Then you are an enemy of the United States.
Lee's Army of Northern Virginia?
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