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What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":
The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye

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To: servantboy777
Now, considering states rights. Judging by how the federal government has trampled all over states rights for decades, i’mma thinkin the south may have had a legit quarrel.

States don't have rights. People have rights. Governments, State or Fed, have only powers delegated by the people.

261 posted on 05/24/2007 8:14:37 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: Redbob; L98Fiero

Good comebacks both - and I agree with your points 100%.

At the root of it, libs use their speech stifling techniques, i.e. demonizing the detractors, to stifle the message - In this case states rights and individual freedom. I suppose my point is your rhetoric should not make you such an easy target.


262 posted on 05/24/2007 8:15:43 AM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“The south could, and did ship their goods overseas without their being taxed.”

This is a bit disingenuous. The South shipped raw cotton overseas (primarily to England), where it was used to produced finished cotton goods (textiles, clothing, etc.) which were imported to the U.S. under heavy tariffs. The demand for the South’s raw cotton was a “derived demand,” dependent ultimately on the demand for the finished cotton goods produced from it. So, a tariff on imported, finished cotton goods reduced the demand for the South’s raw cotton.

263 posted on 05/24/2007 8:15:55 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: FredHunter08
“A real eye-opener...the Confederate government was pretty much running the entire economy down to the smallest detail.”

Let's say for a moment that what you are saying is true. Even so, it would make all this stuff lost causers say about the tyrannical Lincoln and the freedom-loving South a whole lot of horse-hockey.

That said, go read what LS and his co-author wrote about it. There is no comparison.

264 posted on 05/24/2007 8:17:24 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: D-Chivas

No you are wrong. It means we want to be seen as equal to the elitist northeast. It means we don’t want to be called ignorant trash and dumb hillbillies with 2 teeth. It means our people are just as damn good as the rest of the country. The confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride, nothing more. Its hated by the north because they want to keep southerners inferior.


265 posted on 05/24/2007 8:17:54 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: Non-Sequitur

‘It’s easy to look back after 140 years and see that slavery was a doomed institution. But I’m not aware of any Southern leader of the time who thought slavery was destined for an early end.’

Jefferson Davis wrote as much, and Lee stated numerous times his view was much the same, except he qualified it with the realization concerning ‘their current state of development’ which I took to mean education.

In the last ten months of the war, the South seriously discussed arming slaves with the promise they’d be free men after hostilities ended. They never did it, but the fact it was discussed repeatedly in their Congress is recorded fact.


266 posted on 05/24/2007 8:18:28 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye

“Logistics was at the heart of why the South didn’t win its Independence. Their own ‘logistics’ were undermined by the extreme ‘states rights’ stance the South incorporated via their version of the Constitution. In short, that extreme viewpoint planted the seeds of the Confederates ultimate defeat.”

I guess they didn’t learn from the Revolution, either, wherein at least finally Washington stopped bowing to every equivocating suggestion from Congress.

And yet the Rev boys were MUCH worse off.


267 posted on 05/24/2007 8:19:30 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: chatham

So true. If they would worry half as much about the mexican flag or the gay pride flag as they do the Confederate flag, we might actually solve some serious problems.


268 posted on 05/24/2007 8:19:32 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: KarlInOhio

Good for you! Now thats what I call true diversity. Americans taking pride in American symbols.


269 posted on 05/24/2007 8:21:01 AM PDT by beckysueb
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To: beckysueb
Its hated by the north because they want to keep southerners inferior.

Well, I think that's a bit over-stated.

270 posted on 05/24/2007 8:21:10 AM PDT by ffenkle
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To: Mr. Silverback

dark blue


271 posted on 05/24/2007 8:21:49 AM PDT by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........)
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To: LS
Imagine that if, say, Texas could do that today with illegals!

Amendment XIV, Sec. 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

Nothing there about being a legal citizen. I don't recall if the last Census form I filled out asked.

272 posted on 05/24/2007 8:22:37 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: TonyRo76

Very well put. Thank you.


273 posted on 05/24/2007 8:23:23 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Rebeleye
The day the South rose again was when the rebellion was crushed in 1865. That was the best thing that has ever happened to both white southerners and black southerners.

It's a shame that so many in the Ssouth are so concentrated on defending the South that they fail to see the the slaveowners' Confederacy was a creation for the slaveowners, by the slaveowners and of the slaveowners. It was nothing more than an engine of oppression of all others for the benefit of the plantation class.

I'll defend all the good things about the south, including even the honest but misled reb soldiers, but the pro-slavery politicians' regime is not worthy of respect.

274 posted on 05/24/2007 8:23:44 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Altura Ct.

Just to prove that anyone can buy and fly any flag to try to drum up support! The founder the KKK left after it became the monster that we know!


275 posted on 05/24/2007 8:23:58 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: riverdawg
The demand for the South’s raw cotton was a “derived demand,” dependent ultimately on the demand for the finished cotton goods produced from it. So, a tariff on imported, finished cotton goods reduced the demand for the South’s raw cotton.

Not necessarily since the U.S. was not the only, or even the largest consumer of the output of the UK textile industry. They also enjoyed the advantage of being the closest and largest supplier of raw cotton. Demand for their produce was high and as a result the U.S. tariff couldn't have had much effect on their exports, if it had any effect at all.

276 posted on 05/24/2007 8:24:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: beckysueb

Southerners and Christians are the only groups who are not allowed to honor their heritage in this PC world. Every nation, religion, and ethnic group has a history of slavery and worse if you go far enough back.


277 posted on 05/24/2007 8:25:30 AM PDT by Montanabound
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To: 66-442hot
Thanks! I used google and found some photos of it...pretty slick, but I'd want the blue to be either much darker or much lighter, either a navy or a medium blue.

I'm definitely putting a General Grant on my moedlling to do list.

278 posted on 05/24/2007 8:26:12 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
As old as my tongue, and a little older than my teeth . . . . < g >

If you want to get really technical about it, she's my fifth or sixth cousin three times removed, I forget which.

Arf!

279 posted on 05/24/2007 8:26:25 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: mkjessup
The battle flag of the confederate army is and should be seen by rational people as a reminder to tyrants (the Amnestyites for instance), that the citizens of the USA have limited tolerance toward those who would screw us by perverting the laws of the land and the words of our own Constitution.

The flags to be feared most in regards to neo-slavery and the assault upon both poor and middle class American’s, is the flag of Mexico,snuggled up in the arms of the stars and stripes.

South of the border is the south that is threatening our way of life today, and our Federal government(Democrat and Republican) is it’s most devoted ally.

280 posted on 05/24/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Amnesty= Robbing Peter to pay Pedro.)
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