What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":

The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

[FredHunter08]

“Just as all Southerners are not gap-toothed, cousin-marrying rednecks - all Northerners are not gun-grabbing, tree-hugging liberals.”

No, just the ones who hate the South as a cover for hating everyone who doesn’t live in a large, urban, rabbit warren, regardless of location.

[HEY4QDEMS]

As I stated earlier, I have a very good idea of what I’m dealing with.

The south lost, slavery is over. I know that is eating up your racist good ole’ boy brain but you’ll have to get over it.

Maybe you should go play your banjo for a few hours to help calm your nerves.

[lentulusgracchus]

The interesting thing here is how Ney, the city and even the producer of the video seem to agree that, at minimum, the Confederate flag is divisive.

When a liberal says "the interesting thing here.....," what is always interesting to him is that his poison is working on someone.

Scratch a liberal, find a ghoul.

[Tokra]

No, just the ones who hate the South as a cover for hating everyone who doesn’t live in a large, urban, rabbit warren, regardless of location.

You mean kinda like the southerners who hate all "damn Yankees"?

Pot, meet kettle.

[FredHunter08]

“As I stated earlier, I have a very good idea of what I’m dealing with.”

So do I.

“The south lost, slavery is over. I know that is eating up your racist good ole’ boy brain but you’ll have to get over it.”

Bigot. No modern Southerner has any interest in resurrecting slavery. In fact, we have far less in the way of racial tensions down here than the North has. The Klan, after all, is headquartered in Indiana, I believe....

What we do want to resurrect is Constitutional government.

“Maybe you should go play your banjo for a few hours to help calm your nerves.”

So, what liberal hellhole do you call home? Please stay there.

[wku man]

"I would like to drop you and your flag off in front of the Henry Horner Homes Housing Project on the cities west side and let them decide if your flag is a symbol of racism, hatred, and opression..."

Why would I give a flyin' fig newton about what those scumbags think? Fortunately, we have few "housing projects" out here in beautiful, unspolied Idaho...I'm glad your Chicago quality of life is such that you do.

Sheesh...why would I ever go to Chicago, anyway? I've been there before, and don't plan on going back...ever. Too trashy, too crowded, no mountains, can't carry a firearm to protect yourself from the gang thugs, and so on. Oh yeah, and the pizza sucks.

But if I did, I'd be sure to place an extra rebrel flag bumper sticker on my truck...just to pi** you off.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[FredHunter08]

“You mean kinda like the southerners who hate all “damn Yankees”?”

Now, you see, there are “Yankees” and “damn Yankees”.

Yankees stay home. Damn Yankees move down here and try to make it a liberal hellhole like home.

All jokes aside, you will find that hate is returned with hate. This thread started with anti-Southern bigotry and degenerated from there.

Like I said, there is no issue between North and South anymore beyond what some in the North want. They hate the South either from what they’ve seen in the movies, or because they hate anyone not living in a city. Since they think that only the South (from movies, again) is rural, it’s the target.

It also makes them feel better to be living in a State they view as the “good guy”, despite history showing there were no “good guys” in that war.

[Mr. Silverback]

I built a bunch of planes in high school and then took a 15 year hiatus. Since I restarted I’ve built a Spanish-American War battleship, a Gato class sub and a 427 Cobra. I also started a Canadian CF-18 with special airshow markings, but it was destroyed in a cat attack. I’m working on an F-16 Delta Dart right now.

[smug]

1805("Statutes at Large of South Carolina," vol. v, p. 501.)

The fort was built in 1829 well beyond the 3 year stipulation. plus the secession of S.C. changed the use of the fort thereby dissolving the "grant" of the land on many other legal precedents.

[Mr. Silverback]

As a professional editor, I find I can often help people say the same things with fewer words. Here's a rewrite of your post, free of charge:

"I am going to keep making the same arguments even if they are disproved our otherwise removed from contention. I'll also keep saying that you are making points that you've never advanced. For example, even after you post text where Lincoln talks about the judgment of God being visited on the nation for the sin of slavery, I will continue to pretend that you were saying that Abe Lincoln supported radical abolitionists, thereby 'disproving' a point you never made. Plus, I'll be sure to play the usual, stupid, bigoted, anti-intellectual 'you disagree with me therefore you hate the South' card."

There...that was wordier than it would have been after a further rewrite, and it was 100 words. Your original version was 350 words, so I cut it by about 72%.

If you think I hate the South you're blind and deaf. We're done here.

[stainlessbanner]

I talked to Ed Bearss about him over supper one night.
Selfridge had a history of sinking boats....especially those that begin with a "C".

[Islander7]

I thought to point of your map post was to show that areas of South were 'Blue'. Those are areas of heavy concentrations of the depend class, i.e. - Democrats.

"...Just as all Southerners are not gap-toothed, cousin-marrying rednecks - all Northerners are not gun-grabbing, tree-hugging liberals...

I am well aware that there are huge numbers of gap-toothed, cousin-marring, rednecks in the North. As for the urban areas; the depend class is in the majority.

"...More Michigan residents voted for George Bush than residents of Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, or Virginia..."

That is precisely why an understanding of local demographics is necessary.

[lentulusgracchus]

I think you can make the argument Albert Sidney Johnston was one of the top two or three flag rank officers in the entire CSA. Would that have carried the day against Buell and Wallace’s additional troops?

I've seen A. S. Johnston's ability disputed, I don't know with how much truth and fairness. But had he not been shot, his critical task was to carry the last line of defense and drive Grant's troops off Pittsburg Landing by the close of daylight, which the Confederates failed to do in part because of the delay created by Prentiss, then the delay caused by the fighting for the Hornet's Nest, and also the further delay caused by the command reorganization entailed in Johnston's death.

Johnston's and Beauregard's troops just had a long, long way to go to carry their objective. I've often thought that if they could have stolen a march by advancing through the woods by the river bluff and thus stayed out of sight while they flanked Prentiss to the east, they might not have had so far to go......but I'm sure there are arguments why that would have been a very bad thing to do -- it would have exposed them to the gunboats on the river, for one thing, and to flanking for another.

[lentulusgracchus]

I suppose that would be true if you are talking about backwoods racist redneck inbred uneducated American English suitable for banjo lyrics.

Hey. Knock it off.

[lentulusgracchus]

Come on, guys. Elevate.

[Badeye]

‘As I stated earlier, I have a very good idea of what I’m dealing with.’

Same conclusion here.

[Altura Ct.]

Truth be told, they are actually the ignorant and intolerant ones...

Amen to that. The “tolerant” ones are intolerant.

[Badeye]

‘I’ve seen A. S. Johnston’s ability disputed, I don’t know with how much truth and fairness. But had he not been shot, his critical task was to carry the last line of defense and drive Grant’s troops off Pittsburg Landing by the close of daylight, which the Confederates failed to do in part because of the delay created by Prentiss, then the delay caused by the fighting for the Hornet’s Nest, and also the further delay caused by the command reorganization entailed in Johnston’s death.

Johnston’s and Beauregard’s troops just had a long, long way to go to carry their objective. I’ve often thought that if they could have stolen a march by advancing through the woods by the river bluff and thus stayed out of sight while they flanked Prentiss to the east, they might not have had so far to go......but I’m sure there are arguments why that would have been a very bad thing to do — it would have exposed them to the gunboats on the river, for one thing, and to flanking for another.’

All very good points. Prentiss did save the day for Grant and company, no denying it.

I’ve seen some criticism directed towards A S Johnston myself. I think its telling it doesn’t seem to be related to anyone that knew him, or faced him...and I think its revealing the criticism doesn’t stem from his Union counterparts.

The South lost Albert Sidney, the North lost John Reynolds at Gettysburg, both hurt, but AS hurt the south more for the obvious reason there wasn’t anyone to replace him.