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Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill
cis. ^ | July 2006 | By Fredo Arias-King

Posted on 05/25/2007 12:39:10 PM PDT by dennisw

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To: dennisw

BTTT


81 posted on 05/26/2007 12:44:36 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: dennisw
It might the case that some people’s comfort with that sort of arrangement fosters an openness to rationalizing the immigration status-quo,...

Yes, Jonah, it most certainly might be the case.

There's no need for a structured conspiracy -- a loosely generalized consensus by those who believe they "know best," and have the power to make it happen, is all it takes.

Good find, Dennis.

82 posted on 05/26/2007 5:21:43 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: AFreeBird
BUMP Again. We need to keep this bumped. It’s too good for others not to see it.

BUMP, heck ya. Everything I read or hear about immigration now makes sense to me after reading this article.

83 posted on 05/26/2007 10:07:21 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: dennisw
I just finished reading "To Keep and Bear Arms", a history of the 2nd Amendment, by Joyce Malcolm.

The book covers mainly British history from the 13th through 19th centuries, a long tale of events that led to our Founders giving us that 2nd amendment.

Main lessons learned from reading it: your average politician always has, and always will be, a slimeball who will get away with whatever he can get away with, if the People don't stand up and stop him. And, the Brits in the last century have only let their right to keep and bear arms slip away due to laziness and complacency. It just stopped mattering to them. Sheep.

The Brits before the 20th century were a lot more obnoxious toward and distrusting of their government than they are now.

When it stops mattering to us we will lose it. Same as this illegal immigration battle. When we as a people don't care what our slimeball politicians do to us, we will lose as a nation.

84 posted on 05/27/2007 12:05:20 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I give you two more words why: MORE VOTES.


85 posted on 05/27/2007 12:11:35 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: dennisw

Wow. Long read. Bookmark for later.


86 posted on 05/27/2007 12:17:14 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Plutarch

They are all on the same page but for different reasons/agendas.
1. The politicos, as per the article, see themselves as permanent honchos over a docile, dependent group—they envy the high living Mexican elites. They also
wax benevolent over helping the less fortunate. They see nothing but win-win.
2. The MSM hate our country and feel above all us voters out in flyover country.
Stigmatizing our citizens as racists is right where they wanty to be. This covers the WSJ and Fox panel, tool We just don’t understand.
3. Dems see what I named above, only more so—thery see themselves in permanent power, supported forever by grateful welfare workers.
4. The Repubs see what the Dems see, but the idiots are having a wet dream that it could happen to them—perpetual power and riches.

Very good article, and a real eye opener about GHW Bush and the Mexican connection.

I hate to admit it, but this Bush may go down as the 3rd worst Pres. 1. Carter.
2. Clinton.3 Bush.

vaudine


87 posted on 05/27/2007 12:42:31 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: dennisw
"...legislators attempted to impose with no debate was when Pennsylvania state legislators—in the middle of the night before a recess..."

There should always be parliamentary rules that require at least a full business day of debate before voting on anything, even if 9/10 of that day is spent sitting around twiddling thumbs, the time for debate needs to be allocated. And then, another rule that says votes can take place during normal business hours, or between sunup and sundown, whichever is easier. Any vote taken in the hours after dusk or before dawn is void. Finally the last chance to vote on any bill expires two full days before the arrival of a major holiday. The Federal Reserve Act was passed in the wee hours the day, in darkness, the day before Christmas after most Congressmen had gone home. The manner of the vote itself was enough to question the legitimacy of the passing of that bill. Yet, we have it. Any bill that can't be passed during daylight hours when all representatives are there, probably shouldn't be passed at all, and should be disabled from becoming law if it happens to have been passed in the dead of night by the vampires who stay late to pass it.

88 posted on 05/27/2007 7:18:04 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: dennisw

Bump for a later read.


89 posted on 05/27/2007 7:41:52 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: dennisw

PING for insight into the sociological consequences of mass latin-american migration.


90 posted on 05/27/2007 12:42:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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To: dennisw

BTTT, So more people can be aware.

Also: The U.S. under a constant state of emergency since WW-2, The yearly continuation of which, by each president, gave each president almost dictatorial powers if he wanted to use them.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=27721

And

http://www.shadowmonkey.net/articles/general/a-constant-state-of-emergency.html


91 posted on 05/27/2007 10:18:10 PM PDT by topsail
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To: dennisw
Also curiously, the Republican enthusiasm for increased immigration also was not so much about voting in the end, even with "converted" Latinos. Instead, these legislators seemingly believed that they could weaken the restraining and frustrating straightjacket devised by the Founding Fathers and abetted by American norms. In that idealized "new" United States, political uncertainty, demanding constituents, difficult elections, and accountability in general would "go away" after tinkering with the People, who have given lawmakers their privileges but who, like a Sword of Damocles, can also "unfairly" take them away. Hispanics would acquiesce and assist in the "natural progress" of these legislators to remain in power and increase the scope of that power. In this sense, Republicans and Democrats were similar.

While not surprising, it is still somewhat shocking to see in print. What our elected officials really want is for the rest of us to stop bothering them, so they can continue to rule us.

92 posted on 05/28/2007 6:18:45 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: dennisw
Sen. Arlen Specter, for instance, a leading supporter of amnesty, years ago proposed another bill that would have changed the outcome of elections based on quotas, whereby electoral outcomes could be changed by a federal judge.

This is stark insanity if true. It is amazing how white guilt governs American politics today. White politicians, both conservative and liberal, feel a driving need to prove themselves morally superior to the white supremacy of their ancestors. That is the real point of affirmative action and race quotas - not to help blacks but to make whites feel better about themselves. And that, I suspect, is the motivation behind some of the support for illegal amnesty.

For more on this I highly recommend Shelby Steele's book White Guilt.

93 posted on 05/28/2007 6:22:36 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: dennisw
Mexicans are kind and hardworking, with a legendary hospitality, and unlike some European nations, harbor little popular ambitions to impose models or ideologies on others. However, Mexicans are seemingly unable to produce anything but corrupt and tyrannical rulers, oftentimes even accepting them as the norm, unaffected by allegations of graft or abuse.8 Mexico, and Latin American societies in general, seem to suffer from what an observer called "moral relativism," accepting the "natural progress" of the political class rather than challenging it, and also appearing more susceptible to "miracle solutions" and demagogic political appeals. Mexican intellectuals speak of the corrosive effects of Mexican culture on the institutions needed to make democracy work, and surveys reveal that most of the population accepts and expects corruption from the political class.9 A sociological study conducted throughout the region found that Latin Americans are indeed highly susceptible to clientelismo, or partaking in patron-client relations, and that Mexico was high even by regional standards.

Here is a question I have about this analysis: couldn't the similar things be said of Italian and German immigrants of the 19th and 20th centuries? I confess I know little of the history of these countries at the time, though Germany was not much of a democracy in the late 19th century.

Yet today these immigrants and their descendants are fully Americanized. Could we expect the smae from Mexicans? Or do the sheer numbers and the presenc eof the anti-American radical left tip the balance away from viewing past assimilation of mass immigration waves prescient for our current problem?

94 posted on 05/28/2007 6:35:26 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: dennisw
During the 18 months when I aided Fox’s foreign relations, in those meetings with what became the new Mexican elite I do not recall so many discussions about "what can we do to make tough decisions to reform Mexico," but rather more "how can we get more concessions from the United States." Indeed, Fox largely continued governing the country as his predecessors did...

Not good. This is the root cause of our immigration problem: elite Mexican corruption. We will always have an immigration problem as long as Mexico refuses to reform itself.

95 posted on 05/28/2007 7:03:06 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: dennisw
Though similar stories involving lesser politicians do not make headlines, several lawmakers we met also had a special, giddy mystique of Mexico as a place where moneyed leaders coexist with tame, grateful citizens. It would seem that the American political class has a special affinity for their colleagues south of the border. The appeal of their lavishness and impunity seems to strike a positive chord in the American politicians, who perhaps resent being held accountable by their citizens, who cannot become wealthy from politics, and who may be removed from power "unfairly" and without warning.

If a true representation of the feelings of these politicians, I can only say that I am disgusted. Power is not owed anyone. It is precious gift, and I wish more leaders understood it as such.

96 posted on 05/28/2007 8:39:54 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: snowrip

Clean Up the Mess in Washington? I’m there, but there must be a far reaching political organization to replace it.

Part I: A small group must be created as a shadow GOP. They learn how to function as a political organization. They are the seed that will take over eventually. It would have to start with only one issue: Illegal Immigration.

Part II: Supporting the shadow GOP must be both some money people, and a disciplined national organization. I would propose it be by congressional district. Even then, it would still lack grass roots.

Part III: The hardest part: Putting up quality candidates for office.

A proposal fraught with risk. But do we have a choice?


97 posted on 05/28/2007 9:01:38 PM PDT by bioqubit (bioqubit, conformity - such a common deformity)
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To: dennisw

bump for Sal and spouse to read.


98 posted on 05/29/2007 9:26:17 AM PDT by Sal (It's EVIL to SLOW BLEED our troops and our country.)
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To: bioqubit
Clean Up the Mess in Washington? I’m there, but there must be a far reaching political organization to replace it.

I have been presenting this same analysis of the immigration issue -- as usurpation of the people's legislative authority by a ruling political elite and a rejection of the central achievement of the American revolution (self-government)--- ever since Bush was running the first time. In our self-governing "republican" regime, all legislative authority resides with the people who exercise it through their elected representatives in Congress. With the immigration issue, we have witnessed a wholesale rejection of this principle and an overturning of our right to govern ourselves by a ruling elite composed not only of politicians but also by elites in business, the media, and academia.

Both parties have cooperated in a scheme to deny the people what they want on this issue despite passing laws for decades that make it a crime to come to America illegally. They have done this by passing laws and then disabling them and refusing to hold the President accountable for enforcing them. Both major parties do everything they can to deny us a choice by preventing pro-enforcement people from ever getting on their ballots.

Bush is a special case in that unlike previous Presidents, he doesn't even make a pretense of performing his Presidential duty by enforcing our laws. He virtually shut down what inadequate workplace enforcement existed under Clinton when he took office. His outrageous and arrogant refusal to enforce our laws based merely on his personal preference shows he does not believe in or support the American project of self-government and he is willing to enforce his personal policies on us in defiance of the very laws we have enacted. He is no believer in the rule of law and he holds himself above even our constitution which binds him to this law.

Our founders anticipated this danger and provided a remedy for such usurpation of the people's right to govern themselves -- impeachment. The fact that the House of Representatives has not threatened impeachment on this issue means that they also do not take seriously their responsibility to defend the people's rights to our form of government and in all probability are in agreement with the elite project of overturning our "republican" form of government.

This is a direct assault on the foundational principles of self-government -- that the people are sovereign -- and the political and ruling elites are conducting a coup from above against our constitution which rests all legislative authority with the people. The remedy, short of revolution, is political organization but relying on the two existing political parties with their dependence on special interests has not, and probably will not, provide the choices we need.

Restoring self-government may require a third party to effect a political realignment based on who supports our entire constitutional project of republican self-government. The minutemen and other anti-illegal immigration groups could well be the nucleus of such a political movement. In the end it is really up to us to defend our rights to self-government. Benjamin Franklin warned us upon the passage of the constitution that our republican form of government "can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other."

As this article illustrates, our ruling elites are onboard and full speed ahead with the project of "corrupting" the American people, even if it means importing people easier to corrupt, in order to revoke the results of the American revolution. The question is do "we the people" care enough to resist this elite project?

99 posted on 05/30/2007 5:50:27 AM PDT by politeia
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Hate to break it to you, but many illegals are making upwards of $20 per hour. Of course, they are displacing Americans who might demand $30 per hour.


100 posted on 05/30/2007 6:33:54 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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