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Stop "Radical Secularism" with Mitt Romney
Renew America ^ | May 23, 2007 | Michael Gaynor

Posted on 05/25/2007 1:09:59 PM PDT by TexanSniper

It's a perilous time. Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney warned: "America is under attack from almost every direction. We have been attacked by murderous terrorists.... Our employers and jobs are threatened by low-cost, highly skilled labor from abroad. American values are under attack from within."

That sinister "attack from within" comes from secular extremists.

Mr. Romney fully appreciates that.

Referring to America's Founders, Mr. Romney concisely explained: "[T]he authors of liberty recognized a divine Creator who bequeathed to us certain inalienable rights. They affirmed freedom of religion, and they proscribed the establishment of any one religion."

Mr. Romney did not mention absolute separation of church and state, because the Founders surely did not want that. They worshiped God, not government, and they rejected the divine right of kings claim. They provided in the Constitution for an institutional separation of church and state, by banning any religious test for federal office in the United States Constitution, they expected religious values to inform public policy, not to be banned together with God from the public square.

On October 5, 2006, Mr. Romney warned: "[T]oday there are some people who are trying to establish one religion: the religion of secularism. They not only reject traditional values, they reject the values of our founders and they cast aside the wisdom of the ages."

Mr. Romney concluded: "This spreading secular religion -- and its substitute values -- cannot be allowed to weaken the foundation of the family, or the faith of our fathers who 'more than life, their country loved.'"

The secular extremists recognize Mr. Romney as a formidable foe, so they focus on the the differences among the religious in accordance with classic divide-and-conquer theory.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.us ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christianity; elections; fightenemywithin; fred; issues; prolife; romney; secularism
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To: pjr12345

Don’t worry PJ. I stand with you. It is a cult to the MAX. I will not stand with a CULTIST man like Mitt.


61 posted on 05/25/2007 8:23:25 PM PDT by X-Ecutioner
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To: ansel12
Goodness man, take a breath. A true pro-life position doesn't believe abortion is acceptable in any circumstances. No exceptions for rape, incest, or health of the mother. If you accept that as your position, then Reagan's signing of an abortion bill in California that allowed abortion under certain circumstances would be considered a pro-choice position at the time.

I'm not trying to prove he was one way or the other. Just stating a position that I've seen taken here on this board to help you out. I'm a fiscal conservative and don't care one way or the other what anybody thinks about Reagan's positions on any social issues.

I would also hang out to you that in the late 60's there was a lot of social issues involving women that may have prompted Reagan's decision to sign that particular bill. I believe it was more a "sign of the times" than a "I like abortion" decision.

Hope this helped a bit. Cheers!
62 posted on 05/25/2007 8:29:40 PM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: pjr12345
or secularism for cultism.

Oh please. Romney practically ignored his Mormon conservativism while governing Massachusetts. What makes you think he'll impose "cultism" on the country if elected President?

If anything, we should be concerned about his pandering to liberals and flip-flopping on issues instead of standing up for conservative values as most Mormons would do.

63 posted on 05/25/2007 8:33:33 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: TexanSniper

Unless he resided in a democrat-controlled district, I don’t think Mr. Falwell will be voting for Mitt either.


64 posted on 05/25/2007 8:37:25 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I'm a Christian Conservative Republican, NOT a Republican Conservative Christian.)
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To: wtc911

The response is a little underwhelming. About half those you flagged already know my views. LOL.


65 posted on 05/25/2007 8:38:00 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: X-Ecutioner
It is a cult to the MAX. I will not stand with a CULTIST man like Mitt.

Do you impose such theological tests to other candidates? There are plenty of churches out there that can be cult-like. Your position, that one cannot vote for someone of a different theology, is a minority position.

If conservates who are Baptist or evangelical or Catholic or Protestant start imposing these litmus tests on each other, the Religious Right is no more. We work together politically. No one expects that we would worship with each other.
66 posted on 05/25/2007 8:42:45 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: wai-ming

You’ve hit upon my primary reason not to vote for him!


67 posted on 05/25/2007 8:45:23 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I'm a Christian Conservative Republican, NOT a Republican Conservative Christian.)
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To: TexanSniper

If Fred Thompson doesn’t announce soon, I’m signing on with Romney.


68 posted on 05/25/2007 8:48:10 PM PDT by no dems ( Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd live?)
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To: no dems

whoa doggy!!! Let’s not rule out Newt just yet!!!


69 posted on 05/25/2007 8:52:53 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I'm a Christian Conservative Republican, NOT a Republican Conservative Christian.)
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To: TexanSniper
Reverend Falwell (July 28, 2006): "I have no problem voting for a person who is not of my faith as long as he or she stands with me on the moral and social issues. Mitt Romney may be a candidate for president. He's a Mormon. If he's pro-life, pro-family, I don't think he'll have any problem getting the support of evangelical Christians."

Well, Mr. Falwell, first of all, generously gave Mr. Romney the benefit of the doubt re: "shared values." Since I don't know Romney's heart, I don't know if he's undergone a true pro-life "conversion" or if he's catering to the national Republican vote after catering to the liberal MA vote.

Secondly you have to remember the overarching posture Mr. Falwell held when he founded, "The Moral Majority." He decided at that point he needed to have a "big tent." If folks believed in traditional morality, they were part of that tent. It didn't matter their religious stripe. He had to start somewhere and carve out a big enough contingent that at one point in our nation's history would embrace over half of the voters. That's the angle he chose and I respect him for it.

As for the last statement, I partially agree: "I don't think he'll have any problem getting the support of some evangelical Christians." (The question remains how many)

70 posted on 05/25/2007 9:02:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: jonathanmo

So Reagan was not pro abortion.

I already thought that.


71 posted on 05/25/2007 9:06:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: pjr12345

The only person in America with more personal baggage than Newt is Hillary. He’s a brilliant man and has a great political mind but I don’t think he’s electable.

That said, I’d vote for him in a heartbeat.


72 posted on 05/25/2007 9:10:51 PM PDT by no dems ( Dear God, how much longer are you going to let Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd live?)
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To: no dems

“If Fred Thompson doesn’t announce soon, I’m signing on with Romney.”

This isn’t an easy political season is it? At least we have another few months before we have to firm up our support.


73 posted on 05/25/2007 9:12:03 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: no dems

If Newt were a democrat, that baggage would quickly appear as resume enhancers.


74 posted on 05/25/2007 9:38:46 PM PDT by pjr12345 (I'm a Christian Conservative Republican, NOT a Republican Conservative Christian.)
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To: pjr12345
You’ve hit upon my primary reason not to vote for him!

Great! You'll find these types of arguments much more effective than name-calling.

(Love your tagline, by the way.)

75 posted on 05/25/2007 9:49:18 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: no dems

Don’t forget to look at Duncan Hunter! ;-)


77 posted on 05/25/2007 10:57:17 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: sandyeggo; wtc911

“just in case we ever doubt the anti-Catholic sentiment among some here..”

The Protestant/Catholic argument is real, and it is important, and by our measurements it is probably permanent, which is just like the difference between women and men, it is a real gulf between friends, but it is the way it is.

As long as we fight to stay pure and honest in our arguments, it probably is a part of the bigger truth.


78 posted on 05/25/2007 11:04:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: ansel12

Fred has his own baggage about being “McCain like” on some issues. If he does not announce soon, he will be behind the eight ball in developing an effective organization. Right now he does not appear to have the fire for a long campaign. Newt is my favorite mind, but way too much baggage. Hunter is the real deal but lacks money and organization. Like him or not, Romney has the organization, the money and the timing to be a player. He has immense organization skills.


79 posted on 05/26/2007 3:12:32 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

“Fred has his own baggage about being “McCain like” on some issues. If he does not announce soon, he will be behind the eight ball in developing an effective organization. Right now he does not appear to have the fire for a long campaign. “


I agree with you, I’m not sure who Fred is, or if he has the fire (or the health).

Newt , Hunter, I know that they all have problems.

Romney, McCain, Guiliani, it isn’t one of our best years. We have to fight over all this, but it would be nice if we had some leadership.

It helps that Jim Robertson has helped shape this complicated election period by removing the confusion, of Rudy Guiliani.


80 posted on 05/26/2007 3:53:42 AM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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