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Largest Ex-Gay Group Expanding Reach, Redemptive Message
Gospel Herald ^ | May 31, 2007 | Lilian Kwan

Posted on 05/31/2007 12:14:23 PM PDT by balch3

Exodus International, the largest Christian outreach to ex-gays and those dealing with unwanted homosexuality, has entered a new phase of expansion – expanded vision, expanded network and expanded influence.

"Exodus is expanding its message to reach more arenas in the public sector," said Randy Thomas, executive vice president of Exodus International. "We're finding that people are wanting our perspectives on a variety of cultural, social as well as spiritual issues."

In the past three decades, Exodus has challenged churches and the wider public who respond to homosexuals with ignorance and fear as well as those who uphold homosexuality as a valid orientation. And over the last five years since Alan Chambers stepped into presidency, the ex-gay organization has increased its number of member ministries to over 130 as well as its involvement in public policy issues and has become a prominent voice on gender issues, particularly in the wake of the Ted Haggard sex-and-drugs scandal.

"I think the media exposure is a result of our expanded vision," Thomas explained. "I think they're seeing our willingness to speak a redemptive message to the public sector. People are interested in a new opinion and so we bring that to the table and the media has been willing to report."

Chambers has been a leading voice in the ex-gay debate as America continues to argue if homosexuals can overcome same-sex attractions through therapy. Chambers himself is a former homosexual who overcame his unwanted same-sex attractions through prayer-based counseling. He is now married and the father of two children and says he represents thousands of others who have experienced the same change.

Amid increasing attention on the homosexual debate, Exodus has launched new efforts to expand its professional network of counselors, create an online resource center, streamline operations within the organization's national network and increase its influence on public policy issues such as the latest Hate Crimes bill which is being reviewed by the Senate.

"But all of that really is encapsulated by our heart for the church," said Thomas.

Last summer, Exodus launched the Exodus Church Network, declaring itself a ministry of the church. Currently with 40 churches aligned to its network, Exodus helps churches to stand boldly on the truth of Scripture with regard to homosexuality, to minister to individuals struggling with unwanted homosexuality, and to create a nationwide referral list of churches for those searching for a church that will walk alongside them in their journey.

"These are churches that agree with Exodus are aligned with what we believe and are willing to help those who come to their church dealing with this issue," Thomas added.

Over the past seven or eight years, Thomas says the church has been very willing to hear what Exodus has to say.

"We find reluctance often, but not quite as often as we used to."

As the Fla.-based organization undergoes a period of expansion and development, Thomas doesn't see Exodus going away any time soon.

"I think that there is a desire within our society to get truth of same-sex attraction. I think people are getting tired of the polarized talking points and they're realizing that sexuality is a lot more complex and that people do change,” he said. “People are wanting to understand that instead of hearing these typical cultural mantras."

And as people seek answers, Thomas believes Exodus is at the "forefront of providing redemptive homosexuality to our culture."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: exgay; exodus; homoagenda; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; truthwinsout

1 posted on 05/31/2007 12:14:25 PM PDT by balch3
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To: balch3

“redemptive homosexuality “

Uh, okay.


2 posted on 05/31/2007 12:17:49 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: balch3

Homo-sex stinks!


3 posted on 05/31/2007 12:18:34 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: balch3

Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?” Personally, I would not want my daughter to marry one.


4 posted on 05/31/2007 12:22:16 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: balch3
Thomas believes Exodus is at the "forefront of providing redemptive homosexuality to our culture."

I don't think he meant to say it that way.

5 posted on 05/31/2007 12:22:40 PM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: Brilliant
Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?”

I guess it depends on how you define "gay." Personally, I think it's a lot like alcoholism. That temptation is always there, but you don't have to indulge it.

6 posted on 05/31/2007 12:26:18 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: balch3

One of the missions of the Church as I know it is to give aid. Helping those who need it. These sad souls need it.


7 posted on 05/31/2007 12:26:32 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Brilliant

yes,I do. Do you really believe that there is some “gay” gene?


8 posted on 05/31/2007 12:27:12 PM PDT by jimbergin
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To: gcruse

This organization needs the support of Mr. Pubic, they get a lot of hassle from the gay community, a lot.


9 posted on 05/31/2007 12:27:29 PM PDT by rovenstinez (Ma)
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To: balch3

Interesting!


10 posted on 05/31/2007 12:29:07 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Brilliant

I can see your point, but often an ex-gay man marries an ex-gay woman. And, yes, many make the transition successfully, despite what you hear, and they don’t slip back into the old lifestyle. But, again, I can understand how a parent would worry.


11 posted on 05/31/2007 12:29:52 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Brilliant

Yes. Sexual attractions are not hard-wired.


12 posted on 05/31/2007 12:31:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: rovenstinez

Mr. Pubic?


13 posted on 05/31/2007 12:32:44 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Brilliant
Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?”

That depends. If you believe that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice" and therefore a sin that can be stopped, or if you believe that it is a "genetic" defect that is inherent in that person's makeup. Tough call. Is it a "learned" behaviour or is it a "sexual addiction" akin to drug addiction? Does it come from the way a person was raised? Bad aloof father or over protective mother? Or a combination of many factors? I'd have to seriously consider all these facets before leading my daughter down the aisle.........

14 posted on 05/31/2007 12:33:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: rovenstinez

Your Freudian Slip is showing.........


15 posted on 05/31/2007 12:34:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes, heteros have to be very careful. They can slide into a life of homosexuality just like [snap] that! Why, I’ve known, well, zero, who have done just that.


16 posted on 05/31/2007 12:35:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Brilliant

I’ve known a few people who have overcome homosexuality. I would rather my daughter married an always heterosexual, too. But God’s mercy can and does operate on sinners of all types.


17 posted on 05/31/2007 12:36:20 PM PDT by twigs
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To: WashingtonSource

The key is to eliminate adultery of any kind from your life. I know a guy (pastor) who was married and had two kids. He decided he was gay and started having affairs. He never saw the affairs as adulterous(like he would with a woman) but “living his lifestyle”. If he had eliminated adultery from his life, everything would have been a lot better.

I could have sex with women besides my wife. It would be living the hetrosexual lifestyle and being true to “who I am”. But I have eliminated that choice.


18 posted on 05/31/2007 12:37:19 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: gcruse

I have know plenty of them. They are called bisexuals. As a matter of fact, there are more bisexuals than homosexuals.

Take prison for another example


19 posted on 05/31/2007 12:38:47 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red Badger

Probably a combination of many factors; people are complex. I assume that some people have a propensity toward homosexuality and it is, therefore, more difficult for them to enter a heterosexual union. But more difficult does not mean impossible. Even a propensity toward something, anything, still involves a choice. It’s just more difficult for some people than others.


20 posted on 05/31/2007 12:39:42 PM PDT by twigs
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To: gcruse

despite your sarcasm, it happens. Ted Haggard was one who fell from heterosexuality.


21 posted on 05/31/2007 12:39:53 PM PDT by balch3
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To: twigs

James Hormel had six kids before he discovered he wasn’t attracted to women.


22 posted on 05/31/2007 12:41:23 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

“Take prison for another example’

Or, I suppose, the British navy.


23 posted on 05/31/2007 12:44:58 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Brilliant
Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?”

If you believe that "once a gay always a gay" is true then you only bolster the gay's argument that being gay is genetic, and not learned, behavior.

24 posted on 05/31/2007 12:50:08 PM PDT by Wil H (In 1492 the overwhelming "Concensus" was that the World was flat - so it's not open to debate)
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To: AppyPappy

But don’t you think he made choices along the way? To marry a woman he wasn’t attracted to? To decide he wasn’t attracted to her or other women? The former homosexuals I’ve read or listened to all said that they were more attracted to men but believed God’s word that their natural attractions were sinful and prayed for God’s natural affections. And got spiritual and/or psychological help along the way. Every step in their lives was a decision of some type...


25 posted on 05/31/2007 12:50:13 PM PDT by twigs
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To: gcruse

British schools just as much. I was alarmed about the practice when reading CS Lewis’ “Surprised by Joy”


26 posted on 05/31/2007 12:51:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: twigs

Nah. He was obviously attracted to her. They had 6 kids and he went to the trouble to marry her. I think he just decided another lifestyle was more to his liking.


27 posted on 05/31/2007 12:53:25 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I agree with you. I just don’t buy the argument that we are pre-determined to any given lifestyle. Attracted and tempted more than other people, yes. But part of a genetic makeup that gives us no choice? No.


28 posted on 05/31/2007 12:56:28 PM PDT by twigs
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To: TexasCajun
Homo-sex stinks!

Worse than that, it can kill you.

We have warnings about Alcohol and Tobacco all over society and we cannot advertise them to children, yet homosexual men indulging in anal sex are conclusively proven to have a significantly shorter life expectancy than hetrosexuals yet there is NOT A SINGLE WORD of warning of the health perils of such behavior to found ANYWHERE in the media.

29 posted on 05/31/2007 12:58:28 PM PDT by Wil H (In 1492 the overwhelming "Concensus" was that the World was flat - so it's not open to debate)
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To: Brilliant

You’ve nailed my attitude on the matter. I don’t want a man who has to fight his sexual proclivities just to be with me, ick!


30 posted on 05/31/2007 1:00:27 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Shorn, dumb and bleating is no way to go through life, son." Yeah, close enough.)
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To: Wil H
Liberals want the average American to believe Homosexual men are just cute, frilly girly-men that want to cook, dress-up and play house.

But the truth is that their deviant perverted homosexual practices that include fisting and other bizarre behavior is repulsive to every major religion on the planet.

31 posted on 05/31/2007 1:04:42 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Wil H

“We have warnings about Alcohol and Tobacco all over society and we cannot advertise them to children, yet homosexual men indulging in anal sex are conclusively proven to have a significantly shorter life expectancy than hetrosexuals yet there is NOT A SINGLE WORD of warning of the health perils of such behavior to found ANYWHERE in the media.”

Yep. Bears repeating.


32 posted on 05/31/2007 1:06:28 PM PDT by keats5 (tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide)
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To: Brilliant
Personally, I would not want my daughter to marry one.

Niiice...you make it sound like they are aliens or dogs. I hope your precious daughter gets the heterosexually-pure man you seek, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will be a keeper. Good luck in your pursuit of the ever-perfect, wartless, prince charming for your princess.

33 posted on 05/31/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (I'm Bilingual - I speak English to both Men and Women)
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To: balch3

I have had some friends who became homosexuals and none of them were gay when they were younger. They were also three different ways they were introduced:

1. They slid farther and farther into a perverse heterosexual lifestyle until they tried homosexuality.
2. Their first sexual encounter was from a more experienced homosexual.
3. They acted effeminate and everyone told them they were gay, and they eventually believed it.

I have no relation with the homosexual lifestyle but I have had friends that were homosexual in college and the like and these three reasons seem to be central. I do not believe in genetic homosexuality, but it might appear that homosexuals are genetically gay because it is such an “us vs. them” community.


34 posted on 05/31/2007 1:37:55 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Brilliant
Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?” Personally, I would not want my daughter to marry one.

I look at it as a behavior and addiction. Would you let her marry an ex drug user, ex alcoholic, etc?

I have met people who after 20 have not taken a drink, still go to alcoholics anonymous and will still say they are an alcoholic.............and I admire them for their change in life. People do change but it is a lifelong struggle and is a part of future relationships.

35 posted on 05/31/2007 1:45:56 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: struggle

1. They slid farther and farther into a perverse heterosexual lifestyle until they tried homosexuality.
2. Their first sexual encounter was from a more experienced homosexual.
3. They acted effeminate and everyone told them they were gay, and they eventually believed it.


Very good observations.................


36 posted on 05/31/2007 1:51:42 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: AppyPappy
I have know plenty of them. They are called bisexuals. As a matter of fact, there are more bisexuals than homosexuals.

You hit an interesting point. If formerly straight people decide to come bursting out the closet, people are expected to applaud or something.

No one discusses whether being bisexual is a genetic condition. Nor do they consider it a problem if a bisexual switches from a same-sex to an opposite-sex relationship.

But to even suggest that a homosexual and particularly a male homosexual might choose a different orientation, might even be capable of such a choice, well, that's just the most evil thing that could ever be said. Slightly worse than Hitler.

What's strange is that a straight man can turn gay or a bisexual switch from hetero to homo relationships all they want. But only homosexuals, especially men, can never be capable of choice. And this is the very group that Exodus is speaking out for. Men who want to change and are willing to work at it as a process of life change. There is a real libertarian appeal there in telling people they can take control of their sexual urges.
37 posted on 05/31/2007 3:33:02 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: AppyPappy

what alarmed you? I have not read.


38 posted on 05/31/2007 4:51:27 PM PDT by HHKrepublican_2
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To: Brilliant
Does anyone really believe there is such a thing as being “ex-gay?” Personally, I would not want my daughter to marry one.

I have been attending several "Celebrate recovery" Christian generic 12 step recovery groups for about four years. There seem to be a large number of people whose sexuality just changes at some point. I haven't met any who changed because of a program though, just people in that program who had been gay for many years then their desires changed prior to seeking out Christian help groups. This progam might work, but I would bet that their success rate is no higher than alcoholics anonymous.

39 posted on 05/31/2007 5:08:42 PM PDT by MrEdd (L. Ron Gore creator of "Fry-n-tology" the global warming religion.)
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To: AppyPappy

Sex Differentiation Disorders

HERMAPHRODITE
Accepted definition: A person born with both male and female sex organs.This is a vague, confusing and inaccurate definition. There are 3 labels of Hermaphrodites: True, Male pseudo and Female Pseudo. All are equally genuine.
TRUE
A person born with both ovary and testicular tissue, this could be 2 seperate gonads ( one of each) or a combination of both in one (an ovotestes). The genitalia can vary from completely male or female, to a combination of both or even ambiguous looking. The chromosome (karotype) compliment can be XX (female), XY (male), XX/XY (mosiac) or even XO (extremely rare). Those XX with female genitalia are raised female ( some have even given birth). Those XY with male genitalia are raised male ( a few have fathered children). The children born XX/XY or XO (with genitalia male or female are raised in the sex they look most like) ,Those born with ambiguous genitalia have many medical tests for the doctors to determine which sex they should be assigned. Doctors then recommend early surgery to make the child look physically like the sex assigned to them.

CAUSES
The causes are not known, The medical community does know this is a very rare condition but do not have accurate figures to how many people have this condition (depending on the literature between 350-450 known cases).

FEMALE PSEUDO
A person born XX with normal female internal organs but with “masculanized” genitalia. They can appear more male then female or a combination of each.

CAUSES
The most common is Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH) it occurs approximately 1:14,000 births.This is when the adrenal glands overproduce testosterone. It also has been recorded that some persons with this disorder had been exposed to progesterone-like drugs before they were born.

MALE PSEUDO
A person born XY with testes (usually in the abdominal cavity). The external genitalia are usually female but can be ambiguous.

CAUSES
The most common cause is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS). This is when the body doesn’t respond to the androgen being produced. There are different variations: Complete (CAIS) , and Partial (PAIS). This condition has a variety of names and occurance rates..


40 posted on 05/31/2007 6:30:17 PM PDT by NEBO (Reid Hillary Pelosi Kennedy Edwards Kerry Gore Schumer stuck on stupid. And the list goes on.......)
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To: balch3
I have known three.... All nice people, and it is not their fault - can be a birth defect. These people are treated very badly as are gays.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/

BORN TRUE HERMAPHRODITE - Pictorial Profile Lynn Edward Harris, born Lynn Elizabeth Harris, 09/13/50 at 6:12 p.m. P.D.T. in the city of Orange, California, USA, south of the Los Angeles County line.

On November 8th, 1973 at age 23 Harris was clinically diagnosed by a team of specialists as possessing a rare, complex, congenital condition known as "True Hermaphroditism" [Intersex] with undescended, sub-sized ovotestes i.e. "gonadal mosaicism" found in approximately 1-in-25,000 births. [Statistic source: New England Journal of Medicine, 01/14/98.]

Due to ambiguously-formed genitalia at birth [stunted penis; divided scrotum; and vagina], Harris, (mal)assigned "female" by both parents and pediatrician, was raised as such and continued living in said social gender role until age 29 (1979) --- six years after the disclosure of this fixed, irreversible, yet-evolving biological state.

After puberty, minor neurological problems eventually abated. Sexual development remained at a pubertal level while naturally-occurring virilization of secondary characteristics compounded. As Harris' anatomy had developed clearly along non-female lines i.e. no breasts, no milk glands, no child-bearing hips, no menses, sterility; early beard growth, male vocal chords, male skeletal structure, male musculature, male libido, male genetic patterning, he felt justified to elect to live full-time in the male social gender role beginning February, 1979.

For the following four years (1979 to 1983) he lived in a sexual legal limbo, still carrying the original-and-only, valid female I.D. which now appeared both obsolete and fraudulent. On numerous occasions when asked for proof of identification, he was accused of strangely utilizing a 'counterfeit' or 'stolen' I.D. card belonging to some woman.

Desire for a permanent legal remedy to rectify all I.D., thus making it consistent with his outward persona, had become crucial. The subject approached the Superior Court, County of Los Angeles, wrote his own petition and pled his own case for 1) a change of middle name from "Elizabeth" to "Edward"; and 2) a re-issued birth certificate changing the sex designation from "female" to "male".

Based upon his unusual, documented medical history, on February 18, 1983 the Court, realizing the case had merit, granted the two-part request by favorably adjudicating Case # 437625. With the judge's signature, Lynn Elizabeth Harris no longer existed: She had become a legal non-entity.

Within a 30-day grace period following the Court proceeding, said change was registered as legally required with the Social Security Administration, the Secretary of State, and the State Registrar of Vital Statistics. State and public agencies, intended to function as "subservient" to the courts, are obligated to enforce and comply with all rulings as handed down.

In a blatant and unconscionable fashion the Vital Statistics Branch dared to supersede the Superior Court and rejected the simple filing of the matter because -- as was stipulated in their California Health and Safety Code -- 'no plastic surgeon's affidavit of surgery had accompanied the approved, submitted petition.'

However, within said code, no clause existed which mandated one's person to 'go under the knife' in order to obtain "characteristics of the opposite sex" -- whatever they may be. Since any type of "sex reassignment" surgical procedure to define his ambiguous anatomy had never been his objective at any time, in his petition Harris -- even after having investigated the pros and cons -- disavowed any need for possible risk of mutilation, disfigurement, and / or rejection of foreign implants. Unequivocally, Lynn Edward Harris had proven to the Court -- but not to the Sacramento bureaucrats who, then, deigned to issue an amended Birth Certificate reading "Lynn Edward Harris" / "Female" -- that Nature had bestowed upon him "characteristics of the opposite sex" from birth.

Harris, denigrated by this mockery of his civil status, was already making preparations to sue the state and / or approach an Appellate Court for enforcement of his case which had seen prior favorable adjudication.

After a four-month delay, the Chief of the Vital Statistics Branch fully recanted and admitted to having mis-handled the filing from the start. Finally, the preferred middle name combined with, not an amended, but a brand new Certificate of Live Birth with sex designation listed as "male" was formally issued on June 2, 1983. All records of the original female middle name and female birth certificate from 1950 were permanently frozen and sealed for life.

This case, which the Vital Statistics Branch could never define in their terms as having "an opposite sex," has gone uncontested and unchallenged by other bureaucratic, legal, and medical authorities. Subsequently, Harris is presumed to have set the landmark or legal precedent in California, if not the nation, of one's obtaining a legal sex revision without benefit of any cosmetic or reconstructive "sex reassignment"-type surgery.

Further details are outlined in Harris' copyrighted [as yet unpublished] autobiographical manuscript, "More Lives Than One".

Harris has become a pioneer / spokesman for Intersex freedoms and transgender social justice; an advocate for a moratorium on surgeons' gratuitous, so-called "corrective" or "normalizing" genital operations, customarily performed on Intersexed neonates before they reach an age to render informed consent --- unless dramatic genital ailments or malformations (often caused by life-threatening metabolic disorders) are present and surgery is warranted. Genital modification is not a panacea. It could facilitate one's "apparent" social sex (re)classification on paper; but it could never automatically revamp ones "actual" or "true" (often inconsistent and conflicting) chromosomes, genes, gonadal composition, glandular / hormonal output, overall brain circuitry and, in turn, one's inherent gender identification and sexual proclivity.

Mr. Harris and his case since garnered publicity and media exposure in six different countries and now appears on the world wide web. He has also amassed over 100 credits as a widely-published author, collaborator and contributor of articles in academic textbooks, journals, anthologies, and popular books in the burgeoning field of Human Sexuality; and as a guest lecturer / panelist at universities, colleges, medical trade seminars, private sector organizations; and on nationally-syndicated radio and television programs.

Lynn Edward Harris is single, resides in Los Angeles, California, leads a mainstream lifestyle and is a devotee of all classic arts, cultural events, antiques, travel, and metaphysics. Any inquiries for additional information or professional bookings may be e-mailed to the address listed below.

copyright 1998 Lynn E. Harris, all rights reserved.

41 posted on 05/31/2007 6:35:07 PM PDT by NEBO (Reid Hillary Pelosi Kennedy Edwards Kerry Gore Schumer stuck on stupid. And the list goes on.......)
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To: balch3

Exodus does good work, so does Stephen Bennett Ministries.


42 posted on 05/31/2007 8:23:15 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: All

This only works if you think being a homosexual isn’t genetically based, which it may be. From the comments on here, it looks like more than a few of us aren’t sure...”I wouldn’t want my daughter to marry one, does anyone believe in ex-gay?” etc.


43 posted on 06/01/2007 4:22:55 AM PDT by writergal
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To: writergal

I believe generally speaking, homosexuality is an abnormality. I mean it’s like a defective gene (not A gene, but something gone wrong).

Of course, in this day and age where it is massively publicized and is “hip”, I think some are actually CHOOSING it, but I still doubt the majority are. Who in their right mind would be “interested” in the same sex?

I also believe thre are some who “choose” because they were molested by the same sex, and they may not understand how they’ve been “brainwashed”, if you will.

But still, I think a majority are just defectives.


44 posted on 06/01/2007 9:26:51 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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