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1 posted on 06/02/2007 2:56:41 AM PDT by lancer256
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They could pass an amnesty for all of my ‘preferred’ offenses. I’m just a citizen though. What was I thinking?
2 posted on 06/02/2007 3:04:01 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: lancer256

He values loyalty... receiving it, that is.


3 posted on 06/02/2007 3:15:47 AM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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Can anyone tell me when and where this term “nativist” came from? I guess I rather inappropriately don’t find it the least bit offensive.


4 posted on 06/02/2007 3:18:25 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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The boss wants this bill and has blocked all opinions not his own, just like he did with the Iraq war.


7 posted on 06/02/2007 3:29:45 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: lancer256
Conservative epiphany or Bush's jump the shark moment?

Judging from the posts since Bush's intransigent support for the immigration amnesty bill, Bush, wittingly or not, has severed himself from his conservative base. His speech is probably one of the most inept ever made by a modern American president, it rivals Jimmy Carter's malaise speech for sheer artlessness. It might even prove more self-destructive.

This this is an odd position for a President in the midst of an unpopular war, who is treading water with a 30% approval rating. Nonetheless, Bush must govern and, more critically, he must wage war for the balance of his term. How can he do so now that he has finally, I say irretrievably, cut his base legs out from under his administration? why would any president so isolate himself, especially as he and his wife and Barney, and what's left of his base, are the only ones who support the war in Iraq?

I have long been posting that Bush is no conservative but rather a Christian. I think that is half the answer. Here are some of my comments made before the 2006 election:

The problem with George Bush is that he is not primarily a conservative, he is primarily a Christian, and he does not have a calculus that is congruent with yours or mine, even though both of us might be Christians.

George Bush sees partisan politics as petty and ultimately meaningless. We see partisanship as the indispensable stuff of freedom. At election time the Bushes will hold their nose and dip into partisanship. But it is not in their essential nature to wage war for tactical political advantage.

George Bush wants what Bill Clinton wanted: To fashion a legacy. He does not want to be remembered as the man who cut a few percentage points from an appropriation bill but as the man who reshaped Social Security. I've come to the conclusion that the Bushes see politics as squirmy, fetid. It must be indulged in if one is to practice statesmanship but it is statesmanship alone that that is worthy as a calling.

They are honest, they are loyal, they are patrician. There would've been admired and respected if had lived among the founding fathers. But it is Laura Bush and Momma Bush who really and truly speak for the family and who tell us what they are thinking and who they are. There's not a Bush woman who does not believe in abortion. They believe in family, they live in loyalty, they believe in the tribe, but they do not believe in partisan politics.

I believe it is time for us to decide no longer to be used by the Bush family as useful idiots and instead to begin to use the Bushes as our useful idiots . I say this with the utmost admiration and respect for everything the Bushes stand for. Who would not be proud beyond description to have a father or an uncle who was among the first and youngest of naval aviators to fight in the Pacific and to be twice shot down. Not a stain or blemish of corruption or personal peccadillo has touched the family(except for the brother whom I believe was cleared of bank charges). They are the living embodiment of all that is good and noble in the American tradition.

But they are not conservative.

I think that constitutes half the answer but what is the other half? At the time of the Harriet Myers nomination I posted this:

As a result of the policies of the Bush administration, Republicans have forfeited their formerly kryptonite hundred year claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility. Contrary to what Rush Limbaugh says, the Democrats do have an affirmative program, it is to be the party of fiscal responsibility by raising taxes and cutting spending. They will point out that the Republicans are the party of fiscal irresponsibility because they have cut taxes and increased spending. Because Bush and the Congressional Republicans have sought to buy votes with federal spending rather than cut spending in all areas apart from national defense, it is now the Democrats who can plausibly say that it is they who are fiscally responsible.

Their argument will not convince us but it will be persuasive enough, especially when supported by a full-court press from the whole of the mainstream media, to blur the fundamental distinction between the parties and perhaps gain the next election by confusing a fair portion of the electorate.

Thus we have wantonly kicked away one of the legs of our stool. Another leg of the stool was comprised of our ability to go to the electorate, as George Bush did successfully in the last two elections, and persuasively argue that we were the party of judicial integrity. That we were the party which manned the threshold to the Constitution like the Patriots at Thermopylae to check the ravening horde of liberals who would sack the Constitution like a city which had succumbed to a siege.

The Harriet Meir nomination in a stroke has needlessly compromised our ability plausibly to appeal to the electorate as of the party which stands on constitutional principle and eschews judicial opportunism.

We are now left with only one issue which separates us from the Democrats, national security. Like it or not, ever since there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, we've been on the run on this issue. Yes I know we won the last election on this issue but the tide has clearly turned. Watch Hillary contrive to present herself as a plausible candidate who is strong on defense.

Why did we saw off two of our three legs? On the issue of spending some would say it is because Bush was never a conservative. Others would say that it was the war that did it but that would not be the whole truth, at least that would not be the whole explanation. Others would say that it is simply the nature of a politician to buy votes with other people's money and the temptation, even to Republicans, is irresistible.

My own view is that our present dilemma is the product of a little bit of each of the above. For years now I've been posting my view the George Bush is not essentially a movement conservative but a committed Christian. Here's what I've been saying recently:

The truth is straightforward, as usual. Bush is first a committed Christian, then a devoted family man who values personal loyalty to an extreme, and third, a conservative when that philosophy does not conflict with the first two. In this appointment, Bush believes he has satisfied all three legs of the stool. This is what I posted yesterday:

On the limited evidence available, I do positively believe Bush appointed her because she has been reborn. I mean that quite respectfully. I mean that he is counting on her being a new person. Most of the time it means she will vote conservative. But I honestly do not think Bush appointed her to vote conservative. I think he appointed he to vote in the SPIRIT.

The sad thing for us conservatives is to contemplate just how unnecessary the debacle over Harriet Meir really was. One can understand the fear in the legislative heart of retribution from constituents as their snouts are pulled away from the trough. One can even understand Bush's, or perhaps more accurately Rove's, trepidations in dealing with immigration arising out of fear that they will be called racists and out of the desire to pander to portions of the business community. But the whole nomination fiasco is almost uniquely unrelated to identifiable political or policy considerations. In the absence of such temporal explanations, I am left with the conclusion that Bush has a selected her because she's Christian.

I have quoted these previous post extensively to demonstrate that I have not come lately or opportunistically to this point of view. I've been saying this about George Bush for years now.

It remains now only to say what I tried to articulate in my "about" page: that Tip O'Neil had it wrong, all politics is not local, but racial. That is to say that the modern American political landscape is dominated by race and especially the abhorrence of any politician to be stripped of power like Trent Lott or to be stripped in Orwellian fashion of his very personhood like Don Imus.

The last refuge for scoundrels of the left is to play the race card.

I believe the George Bush's Christian faith sincerely compels him toward an abhorrence of racism, or sexism, or religious bigotry. Hence, he extols the Muslim religion as having a faith on equal value with Christianity. He appoints Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court. He joins in the Inquisition of Trent Lott. He squanders billions in Africa to fight AIDS. He cannot see the immigration issue as anything except No- Nothing Nativists seeking to work their prejudices against brown people.

Because this is more than a philosophical but rather a religious conviction with George Bush, his position on immigration (as well as on Iraq) will prove to be utterly intractable. He is immune to blandishments, threat,, or argument because it is a matter of faith.

We conservatives have better decide what we are going to do with the our movement. My preliminary conclusion: the sooner we conservatives divorce George Bush, the better for America.


8 posted on 06/02/2007 3:38:22 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: lancer256

Could have fooled me, since that farthest of far leftists

Gotta agree, I heard ‘if it makes boths sides mad,
it must be a good bill’, from local leftist, and I can’t see no
sense in letting cheaters win, me being the ‘rightest’.


9 posted on 06/02/2007 3:42:58 AM PDT by Son House ( Democrats are Hostile to Tax Payers.)
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To: lancer256

Bush is a Clinton plant.


10 posted on 06/02/2007 4:02:46 AM PDT by gotribe ( I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution... - Grover Cleveland.)
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To: lancer256
He sometimes reserves his harshest words for his allies.

This is sadly true, and is the thing that I have always found it hardest to understand about Bush. He lavishes affection upon the Dems, has undermined his own programs from the very start by seeking their support while completely failing to assert the rights of his own party or even persons in his administration (how many has he thrown to the wolves in these "investigations" and "hearings" that he has permitted to go ahead?), and does nothing to reassure his supporters that they have any input at all.

I think the immigration bill is horrible, although obviously something needed to be done and it took political courage to address the issue in the first place. But every time he does something like that (Social Security, for example), he lets the liberals walk away with everything they want - which takes no courage at all.

BTW, I am not in favor of a fence (because I don't think it will solve anything and will be another federal boondoggle) and I am in favor of a more liberal guest-worker plan, but only for Latin Americans. And I agree that there is much racial nastiness in some of the people who oppose this plan; but that still doesn't change the fact that it's a terrible plan, and that Bush simply refuses to listen and automatically tars everyone with the racist brush simply because (a) it's easy to do and relieves him of the necessity of explaining himself or listening and (b) it ingratiates him with the Dems. God only knows why he is so desperate to do the latter, but it seems to be one of his prime objectives nowadays.

15 posted on 06/02/2007 4:19:38 AM PDT by livius
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I used to always think the Bush Adminstration could, quite possibly, be the worst ever at communicating with the American people.

I no longer think this is the case. The Bush Administration seems to prefer very little communication and uses that to further its goals. If people question their policy or motives they become combative to those who have valid questions. I suppose it really is the “If you don’t like it, it’s just too damn bad” syndrome.

Bush wants this horrible monstrosity of a bill passed. He has no desire to listen to his base and is determined that this job will get done. His whole real purpose for being President.


16 posted on 06/02/2007 4:36:48 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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Historically, corporatism or corporativism (Italian: corporativismo) refers to a political or economic system in which power is given to civic assemblies that represent economic, industrial, agrarian, and professional groups. These civic assemblies, known as corporations (not necessarily the same as contemporary business corporations) are unelected bodies with an internal hierarchy; their purpose is to exert control over their respective areas of social or economic life. Thus, for example, a steel corporation would be a cartel composed of all the business leaders in the steel industry, coming together to discuss a common policy on prices and wages. When much political and economic power rests in the hands of such groups, then a corporatist system is in place.

Corporate interests clearly see the House and Senate as “theirs”...bought and paid for. Clearly see the American middle class as an obstacle...not an asset. Jorge is the boy who’s suppose to be the Circusmaster ....make it all work as paid for.


18 posted on 06/02/2007 4:46:33 AM PDT by mo
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It’s even more than Ted Kennedy had hoped for. The original version said the receivers of amnesty would have to pay back taxes. The White House sent word that that would be “administratively cumbersome” - not practical (sort of like securing the border has not been practical.)

So the White House said take that part out - back taxes will be forgiven (amnestied too.) And Ted said, “Sure, George, if you insist.”

30 posted on 06/02/2007 5:33:10 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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After reading this thread, and all the psycho-analyzing that is being done, I gotta say that the explanation for Bush’s actions, as with most people, is usually much simpler.

Bush just wants mexicans in the US. He likes them and wants them to be happy. His tantrums are simply tantrums because he thinks he’s not going to get what he wants.

It follows that such juvenile attitudes do not befit the office of the presidency, but that’s what we elected and are likely to have to endure until Jan 2009.

The man prefers Mexicans to Americans. It really is that simple. Now the “why” is for the psychoanalysts....but it really doesn’t matter why.


33 posted on 06/02/2007 5:46:14 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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You have got to be kidding. The big gummit program, anti-business, pro-minimum wage conservatives have been calling President Bush every name in the book and he addresses them and they are hurt?? How ironic is that?

One question, where do you get the Manuel Labor if you deport all the Mexicans??

Pray for W and Our Troops


42 posted on 06/02/2007 7:06:42 AM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more terrorists then they killed)
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One of the first hints of Bush’s unseemly hostility toward the conservative base was when he referred to the Minutemen as “vigilantes”.


43 posted on 06/02/2007 7:07:31 AM PDT by PicWzrd (Run Fred Run!)
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The Left gets what it wants as soon as the status of the 12 to 20 million illegals is legalized, i.e., when the President signs the bill. Once that is done, we have crossed the Rubicon. Any other “difficiencies” in the bill will be corrected by the Dems in subsequent Congresses.


49 posted on 06/02/2007 7:35:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: lancer256

bump


56 posted on 06/02/2007 8:05:40 AM PDT by VOA
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Bush is hinting that he's about to take his gloves off and call Joe Sixpack--who donated to him, voted for him, prayed for him and sent his son GI Joe Sixpack to fight in Iraq--he's going to call Joe Sixpack a bigot and drive the conservatives from the GOP.

There's a glove WE can take off.

Start asking this question--"Mr. Bush, have you or any member of your family hired illegal immigrants?" Of course, Bush wouldn't open himself to this question--it'd have to be asked of Tony Snow.

"Senator McCain, has your family ever hired illegal immigrants?"

Keep in mind the long time these two have spent in the SW. I guarantee that this will be a very hard question for them to respond to. "No"--well, that'll get a lot of digging and will eventually turn out to be a lie. "Yes" won't work too well, it means "I want amnesty to make my lawbreaking legal." and "I don't know" won't sound too good either.

And it's just a question.

It'll change the whole flavor of the debate. If Bush wants to insult conservatives, he can get embarrassed right back.

68 posted on 06/02/2007 10:53:41 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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