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To: gpapa; WashingtonSource; Nervous Tick; indylindy; Liz; calcowgirl

The bill is already dead legally, it is unconstitutional because it raises income, which the Senate cannot do. The House of Representatives is the only body that can introduce revenue bills. If this does pass the Senate, there are a number of House members anxiously awaiting to kill this with a “blue Slip” procedure.

http://uschambercongress.illumen.org/meetnewcongress?action=viewNewsArticle&documentId=2c9e4f6912dc36b10112dc5057c00007


7 posted on 06/02/2007 9:12:10 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: TommyDale
it is unconstitutional because it raises income

The morons in the Senate will gladly shed that section.

11 posted on 06/02/2007 9:20:07 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: TommyDale

This same bill, with a few changes came up last fall. It also had the Senate built-in revenue introductions. It failed then , the same “blue slip” procedure was brought up.

I wonder how many conservatives against this bill and amnesty they had to help dump in the 2006 elections to try and run this through again?

Could it really be that was why conservatives had such an awful time in the 2006 elections? RINOs had full party support and funding, while at the same time, the RINO policies were also the reasons so many lost.

What a big freaking scam.


29 posted on 06/02/2007 9:40:04 AM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: TommyDale; Glenn

They’re saying it is the back taxes provision that violates the revenue restrictions in the Constitution, but it seems to me that the FINES that illegals would have to pay are ALSO revenue.

So, even if the Senate pulls the back taxes provision, it could still be blue slip it.


34 posted on 06/02/2007 9:53:34 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: TommyDale

Interesting twist! I’m glad they are looking at every possible means of killing this. But until it is officially dead, and then bloodied a little bit more, I think everyone should keep the heat on. These sleazebags seem to keep finding ways to subvert the will of U.S. citizens. I don’t trust them.


37 posted on 06/02/2007 9:56:44 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: TommyDale; indylindy; calcowgirl
The bill is already dead...............

Legislators entering Senate chamber to vote on amnesty.

58 posted on 06/02/2007 11:26:14 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: TommyDale
This is still a winnable political war by lawful political and social means for OUR children and grandchildren. Let’s win it now and put those mechanisms in place to fight it forever more.

This is the Second Mexican American War and either we win or they win..

Their Poster Boy is that thug grabbing his crotch in LA.. the red & black masked terrorists whom our police are afraid to confront. Those and the 100,000 other Gangsters whose origins are from Central and South America.

Among ours should be Juan Seguin who suffered cruelly for his honorable and courageous service to Texas and America. He and all the Tejanos who fought at the Alamo and the battle of San Jacento where we exacted revenge against our enemy.. We must openly honor and support our fellow Americans who have served and fought for the America since the 1700's, We cannot afford to allow the politically corrupt to separate us or deny any Americans heritage to increase the profits of Corporate Suits, fat cat donors, perhaps even foreign governments with which they may be secretly aligned.

http://www.seguinfamilyhistory.com/jnsmason.html

"Personal Memoirs Written in the year 1858, the following is from the Personal Memoirs of Colonel Juan N. Seguin.....

HERO OF THE TEXAS REVOLUTION, ROBBED OF PROPERTY, NAME (One of the most gallant of all heroes of the Texas War for Independence was Juan Nepomuceno Seguin..... Native born Texan, Statesman, veteran commander of many battles, scholar, namesake for the city of Seguin and victim of the times. Following his legendary career as a leader in the Texas Revolution, Juan Seguin found himself slandered, robbed of property and in peril for his life by his own countrymen - forcing him to flee to a foreign county - Mexico.

(The following is his story of that time, as written by his own hand).

PREFACE by Juan N. Seguin: "A native of the City of San Antonio de Bexar,

I embraced the cause Texas at the report of the first cannon which foretold of her liberty; filled an honorable situation in the ranks of the conquerors of San Jacinto, and was a member of the legislative body of the Republic. I now find myself, in the very land, which in other times bestowed on me such bright and repeated evidences of trust and esteem, exposed to the attacks of scribblers and personal enemies, who, to serve, political purposes, and engender strife, falsify historical facts, which they are but imperfectly acquainted. I owe it to myself, my children and friends, to answer them with short, but true exposition of my acts, from the beginning of my public career, to the time of the return of General Woll from the Rio Grande, with the Mexican forces, amongst which I was then serving. I address myself to the American people; to that people impetuous, as the whirlwind, when aroused by the hypocritical clamors of designing men, but just, impartial and composed, whenever men and facts are submitted to their judgment.

I have been the object of the hatred and passionate attacks of some few disorganisers, who, for a time, ruled, as masters, over the poor and oppressed population of San Antonio. Harpy-like, ready to pounce on everything that attracted the notice of their rapacious avarice, I was an obstacle to the execution of their vile designs. They, therefore, leagued together to exasperate and ruin me; spread against me malignant calumnies, and made use of odious machinations to sully my honor, and tarnish my well earned reputation.

A victim to the wickedness of a few men, whose imposture was favored by their origin, and recent domination over the country; a foreigner in my native land; could I be expected stoically to endure their outrages and insults? Crushed by sorrow, convinced that my death alone would satisfy my enemies, I sought for a shelter amongst those against whom I had fought; I separated from my country, parents, family, relatives and friends, and what was more, from the institutions, on behalf of which I had drawn my sword, with an earnest wish to see Texas free and happy.

In that involuntary exile, my only ambition was to devote my time, far from the tumult of war, to the support of my family, who shared in my sad condition.

Fate, however, had not exhausted its cup of bitterness. Thrown into a prison, in a foreign country, I had no alternative left, but to linger in a loathsome confinement, or to accept military service. On one hand, my wife and children, reduced to beggary and separated from me; on the other hand, to turn my arms against my own country. The alternative was sad, the struggle of feelings violent; at last the father triumphed over the citizen; I seized a sword that galled my hand. (Who amongst my readers will not understand my situation?) I served Mexico; I served her loyally and faithfully; I was compelled to fight my own countrymen, but I was never guilty of the barbarous and unworthy deeds of which I am accused by my enemies.

Ere the tomb closes over me and my contemporaries, I wish to lay open to publicity this stormy period of my life; I do it for friends as well as for my enemies, I challenge the latter to contest, with facts, the statements I am about to make, and I leave the decision unhesitatingly to the witnesses of the events"......

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http://www.seguinfamilyhistory.com/

Read it and weep at the reprehensible conduct of those men who standing on the shoulders of Giants spit upon those very same American Heroes who risked and often lost all for liberty. Is it not the same today with those would be Demi Gods in Washington lording over the Nation built by the blood and courage of their betters?

Those who came before us deserve better from all of us than to let their legacy’s be hijacked by would be destroyers of the American people and our way of life.

W

78 posted on 06/02/2007 4:03:09 PM PDT by WLR
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