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What's the problem with 'no-knock' searches? They tend to get people killed
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 3 june 07 | VIN SUPRYNOWICZ

Posted on 06/03/2007 7:32:12 AM PDT by rellimpank

Last week, we were asking how police found themselves in the bedroom of a naked couple in Lancaster, Calif., in 2001, guns drawn.

This led to a discussion of the problem with "no-knock" -- or even "shout-once-and-storm-in" -- search warrants.

On Nov. 21 of last year, Atlanta police planted marijuana on Fabian Sheats, a "suspected street dealer." They told Sheats they would let him go if he "gave them something." Sheats obligingly lied that he had spotted a kilogram of cocaine nearby, giving them the address of the elderly spinster Miss Kathryn Johnston, who neither used nor dealt drugs, but who did live in fear of break-ins in her crime-infested neighborhood.

Police then lied to a judge, claiming they had actually purchased drugs at the Johnston house. They acquired one of those once-rare "no-knock" warrants, and violently battered down the reinforced metal door of a private home where there were no drugs.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; leo; suprynowicz; swat
--the weekly Vin---
1 posted on 06/03/2007 7:32:15 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

What happened in Atlanta was a disgrace and a tragedy. The libs go too far as far as the police are involved, but there’s no getting around what a clusterf**k that was. Here in Virginia last year, a SWAT team member accidentally killed a man while they were serving a warrant on him for suspected online gambling. Online Gambling. SWAT TEAM.


2 posted on 06/03/2007 7:44:26 AM PDT by FremontLives (The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.)
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To: FremontLives

Those cops in Atlanta need to be indicted for first degree murder.


3 posted on 06/03/2007 7:48:35 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: FremontLives

So what would they do if while in the process of searching the home, they found 3 pistols? Would that warrant every officer emptying their magazines in the poor guy?


4 posted on 06/03/2007 7:54:39 AM PDT by wastedyears ( I deleted my tagline by accident =()
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To: Farmer Dean

Too late, they cut a deal for manslaughter and 10 years, probably be out in much less than that.

If it were you or me pulling that crap?

We’d be executed and THEN buried beneath the courthouse!


5 posted on 06/03/2007 7:55:16 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: FremontLives
a SWAT team member accidentally killed a man

I believe the word you should be using in place of "accidentally" is "negligently".

6 posted on 06/03/2007 7:57:16 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Glenn

Duly noted.


7 posted on 06/03/2007 8:02:31 AM PDT by FremontLives (The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.)
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To: FremontLives
Here in Virginia last year, a SWAT team member accidentally killed a man while they were serving a warrant on him for suspected online gambling. Online Gambling. SWAT TEAM.

I hardly call a murder an accident, the cop should be in jail, and this swat team crap needs to be done away with.

8 posted on 06/03/2007 8:22:41 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Farmer Dean
Those cops in Atlanta need to be indicted for first degree murder.

I think two have pleaded and are in jail, the other is going to trial, should be given life.

9 posted on 06/03/2007 8:24:39 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: FremontLives

Yeah, there’s way too much Barney Fife and way too little Sheriff Andy these days.

Problem is, once Barney gets to be Sheriff, Andy can’t get hired.


10 posted on 06/03/2007 8:24:53 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: rellimpank
"giving them the address of the elderly spinster Miss Kathryn Johnston, who neither used nor dealt drugs,"

Yeah, well..she MIGHT have had some drugs... or improperly labeled prescription bottles.

end/sarc

12 posted on 06/03/2007 8:45:39 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("They hate us 'cause they ain't us.")
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To: rellimpank
What's the problem with 'no-knock' searches? They tend to get people killed

Not to mention that a “no-knock” search at Oh-Dark-Thirty is pretty the definition of an unreasonable search, and thus is prohibited by the Constitution, warrant or no warrant.

13 posted on 06/03/2007 10:06:13 AM PDT by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: John Williams
A few embarrassing scenes like that would curb the enthusiasm for no-knock raids.

What's needed is for such raids to start falling on the politicians that support them.

15 posted on 06/03/2007 12:48:11 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: org.whodat; All

—as I have oft commented in the past, IMHO , most SWAT teams should be disbanded, the members issued a .38 Special and two speedloaders, given a pair of brogans with soles about an inch thick and assigned a beat about five miles long—they’d learn a lot more and do more good that way-—


16 posted on 06/03/2007 1:38:05 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank
Botched Para-military Raids
17 posted on 06/03/2007 3:43:41 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: P8riot

—interesting—


18 posted on 06/03/2007 3:46:56 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

The term is;

JACK BOOTED THUGS.

Do LEO’s want respect? Help from the Citizens/owners of this Country?

Earn it.

We are not the enemy and you guys screw-up a lot.


20 posted on 06/03/2007 4:34:03 PM PDT by stimpy17 (Home of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: org.whodat
this swat team crap needs to be done away with.

lots of these guys are just spec-op wannabes

dress in the black balaclavas, sub guns, lots of "dynamic" entry practice. Then go after high level targets like white business guys that have computer gambling problems or little old ladies...

How come no dynamic entries into the leaders of the Crips, Bloods, Muslim Brotherhood...why.....cause they'd get their a$$es handed to them. It's not like they don't know they'd find weapons and drugs at these homes.

As far as the SWAT approach keeping the casualties to a minimum on both sides....look at what a group of people did to the ATF in Waco with minimal training.

21 posted on 06/03/2007 8:02:31 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer

People who shoot back with even minimal effectiveness scare the ‘police’ we have today. So they will make their raids against persons they believe will not shoot back, whilst ignoring those more inclined to make life a little more warm for them.

Waco woke me up... AFTER I took a good look at what happened. When it occured, I was like most sheeple: They had it coming. But upon closer examination, they were just like me. Living the American life as they saw fit, harming no one, and indeed improving the lives of some. I wouldn’t follow Koresh, but he wasn’t the monster the .gov and the media made him out to be. (side note: many still believe he was a drug-making, child-abusing, machinegun-making criminal. The facts show differently.)

I do not trust the police of today, or of yesteryear. At no time in history have police forces on this planet acted in a manner befitting the great trust they are entrusted with.

Even today. The policeman on this site may not like it, but your history is replete with abuse and mis-use of power. Even today....


22 posted on 06/03/2007 9:00:54 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: rellimpank; org.whodat; mkjessup; Farmer Dean
Police then lied to a judge, claiming they had actually purchased drugs at the Johnston house.

Were the police involved also indicted for perjury?

23 posted on 06/03/2007 9:06:48 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: rellimpank

When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, we’ll go back to civilized law enforcement.


24 posted on 06/03/2007 9:07:35 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
"At no time in history have police forces on this planet acted in a manner befitting the great trust they are entrusted with."

Cop: "Let me have a quick search of your vehicle and I'll be on my way. What have you got to hide?"

25 posted on 06/03/2007 9:12:22 PM PDT by endthematrix (a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other. - Hillary)
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To: endthematrix

Exactly!

When the SCOTUS decided that “suspicionless searches” were legal, flying in the face of the 4th Amendment (’but upon probable cause’ ring a bell with any of our ‘esteemed boys in blue) our nation departed from the Founding principles.

When the police decided that the 4th Amendment was disposable in the pursuit of their duties, they became what the Founders feared most. They became the “redcoats” who would manufacture evidence. See the case involving the dead grandmother in Atlanta.

Our recent history is replete with the abuse of power, but the battle-cry of the police is “But we guard you against anarchy”!

They are wrong. We The People guard against that. We want order from chaos. But when the power entrusted them begins to be a power unto itself, we must dispose of it. It is dangerous.

Anarchy is preferable to a police state. Ask the Jews.


26 posted on 06/03/2007 9:31:10 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: rellimpank

bump for later reading


27 posted on 06/03/2007 11:05:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: rellimpank
I'd to shoot kill an intruder who broke into my home unannounced - especially if he was cop who failed to identify himself.

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

28 posted on 06/03/2007 11:08:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank

Those articles and links on CATO are a sobering read... Thanks.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 8:32:07 AM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: rellimpank

No knock searches need to be abolished nationwide.


30 posted on 06/04/2007 8:44:50 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Old_Mil

“When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, we’ll go back to civilized law enforcement.”

NO. The ‘state’ will always be able to overwhelm the individual. They have far too many resources at their disposal, courtesy of the people...


31 posted on 06/05/2007 10:48:19 PM PDT by KitJ
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