Skip to comments.What's the problem with 'no-knock' searches? They tend to get people killed
Posted on 06/03/2007 7:32:12 AM PDT by rellimpank
Last week, we were asking how police found themselves in the bedroom of a naked couple in Lancaster, Calif., in 2001, guns drawn.
This led to a discussion of the problem with "no-knock" -- or even "shout-once-and-storm-in" -- search warrants.
On Nov. 21 of last year, Atlanta police planted marijuana on Fabian Sheats, a "suspected street dealer." They told Sheats they would let him go if he "gave them something." Sheats obligingly lied that he had spotted a kilogram of cocaine nearby, giving them the address of the elderly spinster Miss Kathryn Johnston, who neither used nor dealt drugs, but who did live in fear of break-ins in her crime-infested neighborhood.
Police then lied to a judge, claiming they had actually purchased drugs at the Johnston house. They acquired one of those once-rare "no-knock" warrants, and violently battered down the reinforced metal door of a private home where there were no drugs.
(Excerpt) Read more at lvrj.com ...
What happened in Atlanta was a disgrace and a tragedy. The libs go too far as far as the police are involved, but there’s no getting around what a clusterf**k that was. Here in Virginia last year, a SWAT team member accidentally killed a man while they were serving a warrant on him for suspected online gambling. Online Gambling. SWAT TEAM.
Those cops in Atlanta need to be indicted for first degree murder.
So what would they do if while in the process of searching the home, they found 3 pistols? Would that warrant every officer emptying their magazines in the poor guy?
Too late, they cut a deal for manslaughter and 10 years, probably be out in much less than that.
If it were you or me pulling that crap?
We’d be executed and THEN buried beneath the courthouse!
I believe the word you should be using in place of "accidentally" is "negligently".
I hardly call a murder an accident, the cop should be in jail, and this swat team crap needs to be done away with.
I think two have pleaded and are in jail, the other is going to trial, should be given life.
Yeah, there’s way too much Barney Fife and way too little Sheriff Andy these days.
Problem is, once Barney gets to be Sheriff, Andy can’t get hired.
Yeah, well..she MIGHT have had some drugs... or improperly labeled prescription bottles.
Not to mention that a “no-knock” search at Oh-Dark-Thirty is pretty the definition of an unreasonable search, and thus is prohibited by the Constitution, warrant or no warrant.
What's needed is for such raids to start falling on the politicians that support them.
—as I have oft commented in the past, IMHO , most SWAT teams should be disbanded, the members issued a .38 Special and two speedloaders, given a pair of brogans with soles about an inch thick and assigned a beat about five miles long—they’d learn a lot more and do more good that way-—
The term is;
JACK BOOTED THUGS.
Do LEO’s want respect? Help from the Citizens/owners of this Country?
We are not the enemy and you guys screw-up a lot.
lots of these guys are just spec-op wannabes
dress in the black balaclavas, sub guns, lots of "dynamic" entry practice. Then go after high level targets like white business guys that have computer gambling problems or little old ladies...
How come no dynamic entries into the leaders of the Crips, Bloods, Muslim Brotherhood...why.....cause they'd get their a$$es handed to them. It's not like they don't know they'd find weapons and drugs at these homes.
As far as the SWAT approach keeping the casualties to a minimum on both sides....look at what a group of people did to the ATF in Waco with minimal training.
People who shoot back with even minimal effectiveness scare the ‘police’ we have today. So they will make their raids against persons they believe will not shoot back, whilst ignoring those more inclined to make life a little more warm for them.
Waco woke me up... AFTER I took a good look at what happened. When it occured, I was like most sheeple: They had it coming. But upon closer examination, they were just like me. Living the American life as they saw fit, harming no one, and indeed improving the lives of some. I wouldn’t follow Koresh, but he wasn’t the monster the .gov and the media made him out to be. (side note: many still believe he was a drug-making, child-abusing, machinegun-making criminal. The facts show differently.)
I do not trust the police of today, or of yesteryear. At no time in history have police forces on this planet acted in a manner befitting the great trust they are entrusted with.
Even today. The policeman on this site may not like it, but your history is replete with abuse and mis-use of power. Even today....
Were the police involved also indicted for perjury?
When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, we’ll go back to civilized law enforcement.
Cop: "Let me have a quick search of your vehicle and I'll be on my way. What have you got to hide?"
When the SCOTUS decided that “suspicionless searches” were legal, flying in the face of the 4th Amendment (’but upon probable cause’ ring a bell with any of our ‘esteemed boys in blue) our nation departed from the Founding principles.
When the police decided that the 4th Amendment was disposable in the pursuit of their duties, they became what the Founders feared most. They became the “redcoats” who would manufacture evidence. See the case involving the dead grandmother in Atlanta.
Our recent history is replete with the abuse of power, but the battle-cry of the police is “But we guard you against anarchy”!
They are wrong. We The People guard against that. We want order from chaos. But when the power entrusted them begins to be a power unto itself, we must dispose of it. It is dangerous.
Anarchy is preferable to a police state. Ask the Jews.
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Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Those articles and links on CATO are a sobering read... Thanks.
No knock searches need to be abolished nationwide.
“When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, well go back to civilized law enforcement.”
NO. The ‘state’ will always be able to overwhelm the individual. They have far too many resources at their disposal, courtesy of the people...