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What's the problem with 'no-knock' searches? They tend to get people killed
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 3 june 07 | VIN SUPRYNOWICZ

Posted on 06/03/2007 7:32:12 AM PDT by rellimpank

Last week, we were asking how police found themselves in the bedroom of a naked couple in Lancaster, Calif., in 2001, guns drawn.

This led to a discussion of the problem with "no-knock" -- or even "shout-once-and-storm-in" -- search warrants.

On Nov. 21 of last year, Atlanta police planted marijuana on Fabian Sheats, a "suspected street dealer." They told Sheats they would let him go if he "gave them something." Sheats obligingly lied that he had spotted a kilogram of cocaine nearby, giving them the address of the elderly spinster Miss Kathryn Johnston, who neither used nor dealt drugs, but who did live in fear of break-ins in her crime-infested neighborhood.

Police then lied to a judge, claiming they had actually purchased drugs at the Johnston house. They acquired one of those once-rare "no-knock" warrants, and violently battered down the reinforced metal door of a private home where there were no drugs.

(Excerpt) Read more at lvrj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; leo; suprynowicz; swat
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To: org.whodat
this swat team crap needs to be done away with.

lots of these guys are just spec-op wannabes

dress in the black balaclavas, sub guns, lots of "dynamic" entry practice. Then go after high level targets like white business guys that have computer gambling problems or little old ladies...

How come no dynamic entries into the leaders of the Crips, Bloods, Muslim Brotherhood...why.....cause they'd get their a$$es handed to them. It's not like they don't know they'd find weapons and drugs at these homes.

As far as the SWAT approach keeping the casualties to a minimum on both sides....look at what a group of people did to the ATF in Waco with minimal training.

21 posted on 06/03/2007 8:02:31 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Dick Vomer

People who shoot back with even minimal effectiveness scare the ‘police’ we have today. So they will make their raids against persons they believe will not shoot back, whilst ignoring those more inclined to make life a little more warm for them.

Waco woke me up... AFTER I took a good look at what happened. When it occured, I was like most sheeple: They had it coming. But upon closer examination, they were just like me. Living the American life as they saw fit, harming no one, and indeed improving the lives of some. I wouldn’t follow Koresh, but he wasn’t the monster the .gov and the media made him out to be. (side note: many still believe he was a drug-making, child-abusing, machinegun-making criminal. The facts show differently.)

I do not trust the police of today, or of yesteryear. At no time in history have police forces on this planet acted in a manner befitting the great trust they are entrusted with.

Even today. The policeman on this site may not like it, but your history is replete with abuse and mis-use of power. Even today....


22 posted on 06/03/2007 9:00:54 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: rellimpank; org.whodat; mkjessup; Farmer Dean
Police then lied to a judge, claiming they had actually purchased drugs at the Johnston house.

Were the police involved also indicted for perjury?

23 posted on 06/03/2007 9:06:48 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: rellimpank

When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, we’ll go back to civilized law enforcement.


24 posted on 06/03/2007 9:07:35 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
"At no time in history have police forces on this planet acted in a manner befitting the great trust they are entrusted with."

Cop: "Let me have a quick search of your vehicle and I'll be on my way. What have you got to hide?"

25 posted on 06/03/2007 9:12:22 PM PDT by endthematrix (a globalized and integrated world - which is coming, one way or the other. - Hillary)
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To: endthematrix

Exactly!

When the SCOTUS decided that “suspicionless searches” were legal, flying in the face of the 4th Amendment (’but upon probable cause’ ring a bell with any of our ‘esteemed boys in blue) our nation departed from the Founding principles.

When the police decided that the 4th Amendment was disposable in the pursuit of their duties, they became what the Founders feared most. They became the “redcoats” who would manufacture evidence. See the case involving the dead grandmother in Atlanta.

Our recent history is replete with the abuse of power, but the battle-cry of the police is “But we guard you against anarchy”!

They are wrong. We The People guard against that. We want order from chaos. But when the power entrusted them begins to be a power unto itself, we must dispose of it. It is dangerous.

Anarchy is preferable to a police state. Ask the Jews.


26 posted on 06/03/2007 9:31:10 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: rellimpank

bump for later reading


27 posted on 06/03/2007 11:05:14 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: rellimpank
I'd to shoot kill an intruder who broke into my home unannounced - especially if he was cop who failed to identify himself.

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

28 posted on 06/03/2007 11:08:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rellimpank

Those articles and links on CATO are a sobering read... Thanks.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 8:32:07 AM PDT by RachelFaith
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To: rellimpank

No knock searches need to be abolished nationwide.


30 posted on 06/04/2007 8:44:50 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Old_Mil

“When enough people start exercising their second amendment rights and defending their homes, we’ll go back to civilized law enforcement.”

NO. The ‘state’ will always be able to overwhelm the individual. They have far too many resources at their disposal, courtesy of the people...


31 posted on 06/05/2007 10:48:19 PM PDT by KitJ
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