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Virtual fence along Mexican border has turned ranchers' solitude into 'war zone'
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| 06/04/2007
| Arthur H. Rotstein
Posted on 06/04/2007 12:47:26 PM PDT by TheDon
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Anyone heard about this?
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:47:28 PM PDT
by
TheDon
To: TheDon
Effective operation of a “virtual fence” presupposes that the government wishes to enforce the law. If they decide to watch somebody cross the border on a camera located five miles away, it won’t make any difference unless they go out and pick him up.
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:52:06 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(Fred Dalton Thompson will be the Next President of the United States)
To: TheDon
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:52:33 PM PDT
by
snowrip
(Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
To: TheDon
Nine towers, along a 28-mile stretch of border, and each tower has a range of over 9 miles? I guess they’re going for redundancy, but they seem to be packing a lot of expensive equipment into this little space.
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:54:16 PM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Enoch Powell was right.)
To: TheDon
Those are just virtual towers and cameras along with virtual Border Patrol agents near the virtual fence. But, you can almost imagine them when reading this article.
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:56:41 PM PDT
by
faq
To: TheDon
It would still be far cheaper in the long run and take far less annual appropriations to go with the physical barrier, than to leave the border open and use high tech, expensive equipment with large amount of manpower in order to continually catch the border-crossers.
Of course the advantage of this alternative for the politicians is that in later years the politicians can simply reduce the appropriation of the annual expenditures for this hi-tech, high manpower approach, and reopen the borders for their Wall Street “open borders” buddies. (”But we have higher priorities in healthcare and education - it’s for the chil’un!” they’ll say.)
To: TheDon
The all-weather, all-hours technology will be able to distinguish humans from animals and vehicles, determine a group's size and whether weapons are being carried.
Uhhhh... thats ounds great, but what happens when someone decides to put a half-dozen .380 rounds into the sensor arrays? This also presumes that the (Bush) Border Patrol has the manpower, and the will, to go arrest and deport the illegals they spot.
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posted on
06/04/2007 12:59:27 PM PDT
by
snowrip
(Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
To: TheDon
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:02:35 PM PDT
by
Sybeck1
(Bush on Immigration: Damn the Base, Full Speed Ahead!)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
Also it would seem that for the drug smugglers and coyotes, they would just need to find a guy (or a group of 2-3) whose job is to watch the monitoring devices for a particular stretch and willing to be paid off to look the other way. When they find that weak human link, they can then use that area to get their goods and people across.
To: snowrip
No joke.
Kennedy keeps telling everyone that he’s got the votes to pass this, no problem.
I have no doubt that grass roots is the only thing that will stop this Juggernaut.
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:08:58 PM PDT
by
Wiseghy
("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
To: Sybeck1
Yeah, boondoggle. So we got great cameras. What are we gonna do, count ‘em? How does this STOP them?
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:10:48 PM PDT
by
henkster
(The dems have reserved your place on the collective farm.)
To: TheDon
I'm all for a virtual fence as long as it is fitted with this:
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:12:42 PM PDT
by
Eagle of Liberty
(The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
It would still be far cheaper in the long run and take far less annual appropriations to go with the physical barrier, Exactly. This high-tech wall garbage is pandering. We need an impregnable wall.
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:20:28 PM PDT
by
sand88
(q)
To: gridlock
Effective operation of a virtual fence presupposes that the government wishes to enforce the law. Effective operation of the border requires that the government enforces the law regardless of what detection and deterrent methods are used to a great extent.
Given a little time, fences can be cut, vehicle barriers removed or destroyed, ditches filled in, etc.
I will agree that it is less obvious that the laws aren't being enforced if the illegal crossers don't have to leave a trail of destroyed barriers, and that destroying the barriers requires extra effort and tools.
However, barriers and surveillance are really tools to aid in enforcement. They do little by themselves.
To: TheDon
“ranchers solitude”? Give me a break. I know of ranchers as far north as Wilcox who get regular, unwanted visits from illegals passing through.
To: TheDon
Sure the contract was let months back to build a total of nine towers, deploy by July 2007. Provided you actually had people watches the cameras, border agents in the field to apprehend ... it might do some good. No where near what a real secure fence would do, as the border can still be rushed and overwhelm the responders. It also depends on the wathcers not getting tired and turning it off for the day.
Build the real fence use the toys for surveillance of the real fence.
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:23:52 PM PDT
by
Tarpon
To: ClearCase_guy
but they seem to be packing a lot of expensive equipment into this little space.
10 bucks bets that you will be able to buy this equipment soon on the streets of Los Angeles and only the towers will remain in place. The U.S. government won’t know it’s gone because they never staffed the monitoring stations in the first place.
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:30:14 PM PDT
by
Joan Kerrey
(Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
To: TheDon
If I was a rancher along the border, I have my non-virtual Remington 700 loaded up with non-virtual 175 grain .308 cal. Sierra Matchkings, and non-virtually defend my property and family. And then I’d probably be non-virtually arrested for being a bad boy. Can’t have people actually defend themselves now, can we?
To: SirJohnBarleycorn
A physical fence allows for physical holes — either through or under. Those holes would require a lot of manpower to find and repair. A hole in a fence can be made to be invisible except from very close up.
If somebody is spotted when they are 9 miles away — and agents dispatched to intercept them — they will never get a chance to damage a virtual fence by taking out cameras and radar units.
A virtual fence can never be as effective as a physical barrier if it comes to large numbers of people rushing through, but I would guess the manpower and maintenance costs of a virtual fence would be lower.
Now, if each of those posts was also a roosting point for a UAV armed with guns or tasers, I’d like it even more. It’s about time we got some benefit from our kids’ addictions to video games.
Best of all might be a physical fence with the electronic surveilance and UAVs to prevent anyone from messing with the fence.
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:30:39 PM PDT
by
Kellis91789
(Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
To: snowrip
Theoretically, the radar and camera systems can see for 9 miles. Can somebody hit one with a 0.380 from a distance of 9 miles ?
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posted on
06/04/2007 1:33:21 PM PDT
by
Kellis91789
(Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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