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Sitting Out the Pledge - In New York’s public schools, patriotism is passé.
City Journal ^ | 4 June 2007 | Marc Epstein

Posted on 06/04/2007 1:47:14 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 06/04/2007 1:47:20 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Patriotism needs to be taught.


2 posted on 06/04/2007 1:48:50 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: neverdem
I learned that many of them had said the Pledge in elementary school, but were unfamiliar with patriotic songs: “The Battle Hymn of the Republic,” “My Country ’Tis of Thee,” “America the Beautiful,” and a host of others that I had sung with classmates at PS 139 in the 1950s.

I don't like the concept of the socialist-driven Pledge of Allegiance, but the disturbing part here is the lack of education for them to decide for themselves how wonderful this place is. If they choose to turn from it then, okay, but they should at least be given the opportunity to make an educated choice of indifference.

3 posted on 06/04/2007 1:51:14 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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4 posted on 06/04/2007 1:52:05 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Idiot! Scurry back over to DUmmyland.


5 posted on 06/04/2007 1:55:34 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: neverdem

This is really sad


6 posted on 06/04/2007 1:55:48 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: bnelson44
Patriotism needs to be taught.

...to our "leaders" in Washington apparently.

7 posted on 06/04/2007 1:56:21 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: neverdem
He related one particularly disturbing incident from several years back. As a life-long resident of Newton, MA, he called the head of the history department at the Newton Public Schools. He wanted to bring to the teacher a deck of "playing cards" he has created over the years. The 80 or so cards are each a small reproduction of his paintings (see above). As he was explaining to the teacher his interest in ensuring that today's kids learn of the heros of America's past, he asked the teacher if the Newton School System taught about World War II. After a moment of silence, the teacher replied that yes, they did, but they "excluded any military aspects about the war."

This stopped George for a moment. After he recovered, he asked the head of the history department how that could be. The teacher replied that Newton did not approve of teaching about the military and that to cover World War II, they taught about the internment of Japanese-Americans and about the liberation of the Nazi concentartion camps at the end of the war. George asked, in return, if they taught that it was the American Army that liberated most of the camps. According to George, the teacher replied that "they tried to make the Americans out to be the good guys when they could." At this point George asked the teacher for his name, and according to George, the teacher hung-up on him.

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8 posted on 06/04/2007 1:57:18 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem

The feeling of belonging to a wonderful country has gone. Years of liberalism and immigration have destroyed for many people the idea that “we” are a nation.


9 posted on 06/04/2007 1:57:41 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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I am a high school teacher in North Carolina. I am also a veteran. This year was the first year that NC schools required the Pledge of Alleigance during morning announcements. I was also discouraged with the apathy, most students ignored it. One day I played Red Skelton’s remarks of the pledge that he learned from his teacher, Mr. Laswell. Not all joined in after that, but many began to understand. I also mentioned that my son served in Iraq and that they may also be asked to serve and protect our country in the future. God Bless.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 1:58:13 PM PDT by jonsie
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We have become a nation that is unwilling to count its blessings


11 posted on 06/04/2007 1:59:06 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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I don't like the concept of the socialist-driven Pledge of Allegiance

In the interest of your own education, perhaps you should take the time to live in the worker's paradise of your choice. Then, you could speak intelligently on the concept of socialism.

Go learn something, DUmmy.
12 posted on 06/04/2007 1:59:48 PM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: bnelson44

Maybe they can fit it in if they have any time left over from teaching how to put on a condom/s Good article!


13 posted on 06/04/2007 2:02:21 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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The HELL with that. The pukes that don’t pay attention are the America haters of tommorow. The bastards should lick the boots of every single patriotic member and veteran of the Armed forces of the United States.


14 posted on 06/04/2007 2:12:42 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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TexasCajun> "Idiot! Scurry back over to DUmmyland."

snowrip> "In the interest of your own education, [...]

???

Idiot? Education?

Do you not realize that the Pledge of Allegiance was written and promoted by a socialist named Francis Bellamy--a liberal clergyman who was booted from his Baptist church pulpit for his socialist sermons? The photo I posted was of children reciting it...and here's an illustration from the magazine he edited, showing children reciting the Pledge...

Later on, the salute was modified to the hand over the heart, because of the bad press the Nazis gave this one.

Perhaps you just love the Big-government, Nanny-state RINO wave sweeping this nation, but some of us still believe the government doesn't own us. Pledging allegiance to a FLAG...hmmmm... That's not where I believe MY allegiance should be.

15 posted on 06/04/2007 2:15:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: vpintheak
The HELL with that. The pukes that don’t pay attention are the America haters of tommorow.

It's not just "[they] don't pay attention"...

As the article states

This ignorance should not come as a surprise. The most recent New York State test results for eighth graders entering high school indicated that only 27 percent had a basic knowledge of American history. The New York State history curriculum barely touches the actual battles and major political events of the Civil War.
In other words, this information has been weeded out of what is presented to our public school students. That is WRONG.

But of course, we can't have time for tolerance-training, administrative duties, etc., unless we boot important information from the curricula.

16 posted on 06/04/2007 2:18:49 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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In the interest of YOUR own education, perhaps you should take the time to research the background of the Pledge. It was indeed intended to promote the “one big country under the federal government” concept, at the expense of state sovereignty. That concept is at the root of nearly all the socialism we suffer under to day.

Personally, I’d rather remedy the Pledge than dump it. Remove the “under God” phrase, which was not part of the original pledge and has become contentious, and replace it with “of 50 sovereign states”


17 posted on 06/04/2007 2:36:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Perhaps you just love the Big-government, Nanny-state RINO wave sweeping this nation, but some of us still believe the government doesn't own us. Pledging allegiance to a FLAG...hmmmm... That's not where I believe MY allegiance should be.

In my school days (Norwalk, CA) all of us recited the Pledge each morning AND learned the full US historical record. Are today's kids too busy setting up meth transactions on their Blackberries to do both?

18 posted on 06/04/2007 2:47:28 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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ping


19 posted on 06/04/2007 2:54:32 PM PDT by rmlew (It's WW4 and the Left wants to negotiate with Islamists who want to kill us , for their mutual ends)
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These kids need to spend a year in Cuba, then come back, they’ll be singing a whole different tune.


20 posted on 06/04/2007 2:56:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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