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My guess is that Brownback is campaigning for Fred Thompson's running mate.
1 posted on 06/04/2007 4:21:38 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/04/2007 4:22:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Although I consider abortion murder, it is a losing proposition to stick that tag/knife it potential voters. Just saying you’re against it is good enough. Stupidity does not win a general election.
3 posted on 06/04/2007 4:28:35 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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Abortion is not murder. Murder is the the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

As long as abortion remains legal, it is not murder. Zealots might think it makes good points in a debate to call it murder, but that doesn't make them correct.

It might be wrong, it might be absolutely abhorrent to people, but murder is a legal term... the legal definition applies.

6 posted on 06/04/2007 4:43:39 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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Brownback demands hysterical hyperbole from Romney, but you can't even get straight talk from Brownback. He wouldn't call last year's Senate's SB 2611, which he co-sponsored, amnesty.

Brownback Flip-Flops on Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants April 3rd, 2007

Only a couple of short years ago, Sam Brownback was interviewed by John Hawkins from Right Wing News.  Hawkins asked Senator Brownback what his stance was on illegal immigration and whether or not he supported Amnesty for illegal aliens.  Brownback said he did not.

John Hawkins: Now, would it be beneficial in your opinion to get it down by just simply making them citizens?

Sam Brownback: I don’t think anybody’s looking at that and I’m not familiar with individuals in the Republican party that are looking at a system like what President Reagan did, where he just granted a blanket amnesty.

Here we see Sam Brownback say very clearly that he is not examining a blanket amnesty proram for illegals.  The full interview can be viewed here.  http://www.rightwingnews.com/interviews/brownback.php

Fast forward only one short year, and Brownback co-sponsored S. 2611.  The bill would grant blanket amnesty to most illegal aliens and was co-sponsored by Ted Kennedy.  It can be viewed here

For all of the accusations of “flip-flopping” that Brownback supporters dump on Mitt Romney, it seems that Sam Brownback is not immune either.

8 posted on 06/04/2007 4:50:31 PM PDT by Plutarch
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And Brownback won’t call illegal immigrtion invasion.


10 posted on 06/04/2007 5:03:25 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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I know Mitt is a RINO


17 posted on 06/04/2007 5:28:24 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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Romney declined to characterize abortion that way and said that the term "means different things to different people."

Well, Mitt, how about defining it from the angle of how the baby sees it? [Now wouldn't that be a Biblical revelation to a candidate who says he has his own hip-pocket prophet?]

22 posted on 06/04/2007 5:44:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
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"Romney says life begins at conception, but doesn't think abortion is murder and Romney says he's pro-life but he thinks states should be able to choose to allow abortion,"

What next? A throwback to the states to allow for them whether or not slaves are property?

23 posted on 06/04/2007 5:46:29 PM PDT by Colofornian
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I can see why Brownback isn’t getting any traction. This attack is as stupid as the come. Does anyone recall a sitting president, calling abortion murder?


27 posted on 06/04/2007 6:04:59 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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Actually Romney has never flip flopped on abortion, that would mean being pro choice, then going pro life and then going back to pro choice. That is a flip flop.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 6:09:21 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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Senator Browneye can go to hell. He didn’t bother to show up to vote for Norm Coleman’s critical amendment today to ban “sanctuary cities”. It failed by a single vote. What a schmuck.


32 posted on 06/04/2007 6:21:45 PM PDT by montag813 (No More Bushes. Ever. Put it in the Constitution.)
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He added that the bottom line for him is that at conception the unborn child is "alive and it is human" and he called abortion the taking of a human life. Romney also said that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and states should be able to make their own decisions on abortion.

Admittedly, we can always feel more comfortable if they use the term 'murder'. There's no backing away from it.

But saying "the taking of a human life" is almost as strong but it avoids the implication that an aborting mother is an accomplice to a murder. We can point out that no one would ever criminalize a woman for an abortion, only the abortionists. But if we use the word 'murder', it does raise other questions and objections.

I think the language is close enough. But he has to convince me that he means it and won't morph into something else in office.
34 posted on 06/04/2007 6:51:28 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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pro-life bump


39 posted on 06/04/2007 7:08:52 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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I used to have a bumper sticker on my car that read, “Abortion is Murder” and it was dripping with blood. But then I got to thinkin’ . . . am I calling the woman who has an abortion a murderer or am I calling the abortionist a murderer.

I don’t have a problem with “abortion is killing” or something like that but if you start calling the girls who’ve had abortions murderers, you will not be helping them to overcome the pain and suffering. You will just make them feel worse and probably angry because it shows a lack of compassion.


40 posted on 06/04/2007 7:10:11 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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If Brownback wasn’t a complete open borders pro-legalization wimp, he’d be a viable candidate.


42 posted on 06/04/2007 8:13:55 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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48 posted on 06/04/2007 9:47:27 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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That’s right, Feed has it sown up because he has the backing of the CFR. Hillary has it sown up and I don’t think that they want an avowed socialist appearing to be running things


52 posted on 06/05/2007 4:28:46 AM PDT by RichardMoore (gohunter08.com)
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The closer a candidate gets to "murder", the less chance of winning.

American will not turn against abortion until she is taught. She will not be taught until the people listen. Calling them "murderers" will not enhance the possibility that they will listen.

53 posted on 06/05/2007 4:33:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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56 posted on 06/06/2007 8:40:35 PM PDT by Coleus (Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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If Romney didn’t want to use the term murder, he could have come back with something like this: “Abortion is the taking of an innocent human life.”

Instead, he came back with: abortion “means different things to different people.”

Sorry, that just doesn’t cut it. It sounds as if it came straight out of the Casey decision, with its moral relativism. According to Casey, which reaffirmed Roe, everyone has a constitutional right to make up his own version of reality and basically do whatever they like. Nonsense.

Frankly Romney’s statement is equal nonsense.

As for those who have unfortunately had an abortion, or who have a daughter or a friend who has had an abortion, there is only one way to get over the feelings of guilt, sorrow, and regret: repentance and forgiveness. For peace of mind, it is necessary to confront what you have done and repent it, not to pretend that you didn’t do it or that it means something different to you and therefore doesn’t count. That is the road to relativism, nihilism, and to continuing pangs of guilt.


57 posted on 06/07/2007 8:52:42 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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