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1 posted on 06/08/2007 1:08:58 PM PDT by Red Badger
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2 posted on 06/08/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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What’s wrong with doing both? The one proposal would seem to require everyone to buy hybrids just to make it work...wouldnt it?


3 posted on 06/08/2007 1:11:03 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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It is tragic that so much money is being wasted on research into technologies like coal to liquid fuel, ethanol, bio-fuels, solar, wind etc. that make no economic sense on a massive scale.

Large electric power plants are the only way to reduce CO2 and meet our energy needs. People wish it weren’t so, but that’s where physical laws take us.

Hopefully more studies like this one will point our policy makers in the right direction.

10 posted on 06/08/2007 2:10:49 PM PDT by BigBobber
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So rather than using Liquid coal cars, they would use power from a Coal power plant to power their cars.

I’m lost again.

This is why I had to leave the enviormental movement.


11 posted on 06/08/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by Otaku6
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Although it works quite well making coal into liquid gasoline to run automobiles, you can also use coal as a solid to run cars.

This was done in Stanley Steamers as well as in the gunpowder motors of the 1910’s that used gravity to draw gunpowder into a combustion chamber.

Well, coal (even in solid form) can likewise be directly used for combustion.


17 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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As GM finally admitted after teasing the Volt, they don’t have a battery to use. Been the problem all along, and will likely remain for the near future. Battery energy density is too low, or costs are way too high.


20 posted on 06/08/2007 4:01:56 PM PDT by Tarpon
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It is said that we have 500 times more coal energy than saudi arabia has in oil energy. Whatever the actual number, COAL is the hydrocarbon fuel we should be concentrating on, not ethanol, nor bio-diesel, nor even fission-nuclear. MHD is anywhere from 60% to 90% efficient, depending on who you’re talking to.

The PROBLEM with coal-MHD is that coal slag quickly coats the throat walls, gumming it up. So they’ve been shooting the coal plasma thru the throat at mach 2 to get around that problem. But that in turn creates still further problems/inefficiencies in the system.

Years ago this inventor thought of an easier solution : 4 film-belts, as endless loops, that slide thru on the throat walls. They get coated with the coal crud/particle damage and are then cleaned off on the outside, recoated with fast setting gel/paint, and fed back thru the throat again. They also help COOL the cryogenic MHD unit.

With (former) Sen. Conrad Burns help, got the idea to the DOE where it got the one-soldier-at-attention finger salute, as I knew it would. The DOE is the LAST place you go for innovative thinking.


45 posted on 06/10/2007 5:10:33 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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I just read the complete report (here) because it was linked on an FR page here (Future is grim for liquefied coal)..

It seems to me that the conclusions are stilted toward the plug in hybrids by the fact that they are assuming an efficiency of 120 miles per gallon equivalent (3.5 mi/kWh) vs. 34 MPG for a gasoline powered sedan. Further, the assumed electric car only has a range of only 60 miles. If these huge differences in vehicle types were normalized, I'd wager that CTL would come out significantly better than the electric option.

51 posted on 06/12/2007 10:47:49 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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