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CMU: Plug-in Hybrids “More Sensible” Use of Coal Than Coal-to-Liquids
www.greencarcongress.com ^ | 06/08/2007 | Staff

Posted on 06/08/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by Red Badger

Comparing life cycle CO2 emissions from plug-in hybrids, coal-to-liquids gasoline, and conventional gasoline.

A study from the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center (CEIC) concludes that while enacting policies to subsidize the production of coal-to-liquids transportation fuel would enhance national security by lowering oil imports, encouraging plug-in hybrids powered by coal-generated electricity is a less costly policy that also reduces oil imports and does more to lower greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

CEIC produced the paper in the context of the current work by the US House Committee on Energy and Commerce on transportation energy legislation, the current draft of which includes significant support for CTL. (Earlier post.) The CEIC paper compares GHG emissions of CTL gasoline to the emissions of plug-in hybrid vehicles powered with electricity generated from coal on a full life cycle basis.

Although CTL conventionally produces more diesel than gasoline, the process can be altered with catalysts to upgrade some of the diesel and waxes produced in the standard F-T process to gasoline, with an overall efficiency of around 52% (HHV).

The CEIC team used CTL inputs and outputs derived by Bechtel in 1993, and allocated the total emissions factor among the various CTL co-products using the method in the GREET model (by energy content of the co-products).

The allocated worst-case well-to-plant emission factor (no carbon capture and sequestration, current electricity generation mix) is 190 pounds CO2 equivalent per MMBtu of CTL gasoline, and 50 pounds CO2 equivalent per MMBtu of CTL diesel. With 80% CCS and zero-carbon electricity, the allocated factors drop to 50 pounds CO2 equivalent for gasoline and 15 pounds for diesel.

Adding in the other complete lifecycle factors (transportation for distribution, combustion in the engine) resulted in complete well-to-wheel CTL lifecycle emissions of 360 pounds CO2 equivalent per MMBtu of gasoline in the worst-case scenario and 220 pounds CO2 equivalent per MMBtu of gasoline in the best-case scenario.

CEIC then used a fuel consumption figure of 34 mpg and an annual driving distance of 12,000 miles to calculate the annual CTL gasoline emissions: 1.18 lbs/mile (536.7 g/mi) in the worst case; 0.72 lbs/mile (325 g/mi) in the best case.

For plug-ins, the CEIC researchers calculated the impact of both electricity and gasoline. For electricity generation, they used two scenarios: bituminous coal in a pulverized coal power plant and bituminous coal in an integrated gasification combined cycle power plant with carbon capture and sequestration (IGCC w/ CCS).

For a vehicle, they assumed a plug-in hybrid built on a Toyota Prius platform in a parallel configuration with an all-electric range of 60 miles. To determine the fraction of vehicle travel powered by electricity or gasoline, they used the percentages resulting from the cumulative distribution function of daily vehicle miles traveled constructed in another paper from CMU (Samaras and Meisterling, “Decarbonized Electricity Needed for Plug-in Hybrids” 2007). The CEIC distribution estimates electricity would power about 85% of average annual vehicle travel for a plug-in hybrid with a 60-mile electric range, assuming vehicles are charged once per day.

The results: total well-to-wheel emissions of 264.6 g/mi for the conventional coal-generated scenario; 105.8 g/mi for the scenario with advanced IGCC with CCS). The conventional gasoline baseline in the study was 344 g/mi.

It can be seen that gasoline derived from CTL plants with no CCS could increase GHG emissions from vehicles by almost 60%. If CCS is available, then a reduction of less than 6% could be obtained. It is important to note, once again, that in this best-case CTL scenario, not only is there CCS at the CTL plant, but also a low-carbon electricity source is used for CTL production. This might not be a very realistic assumption, but is presented here to show that at best we could only obtain a very small reduction in GHG emissions following a path of increased CTL production.

Plug-in hybrids look more promising as a pathway for reduction of GHG emissions. Even if coal electricity without CCS is used, plug-in hybrids could lead to a GHG emissions reduction of almost 25%. This demonstrates the worst case for plug-in hybrids, as GHGs would be further reduced with a low-carbon electricity portfolio. It is important to note however, that this analysis does not include the emissions from manufacturing the storage battery used in plug-in hybrids. If GHG emissions from lithium-ion batteries for plug-in hybrids are included, total annual GHGs from plug-ins would increase by about 800-1,500 pounds of CO2 equivalents, depending if a twelve or eight-year vehicle life is assumed (Samaras and Meisterling 2007). Battery technologies are difficult to predict, but even when emissions from current battery production are included, plug-in hybrids result in substantially lower emissions than CTL pathways.

The Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center (CEIC) was established in August 2001 as one of 20 centers of excellence in different industries that the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation has established at 13 universities. CEIC’s core funding comes jointly from Sloan and from the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI).

Resources:

“For energy security and greenhouse gas reductions, plug-in hybrids a more sensible pathway than coal-to-liquids gasoline”; Paulina Jaramillo and Constantine Samaras; CEIC Working Paper CEIC 07-04 – June 2007


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1 posted on 06/08/2007 1:08:58 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: sully777; Fierce Allegiance; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.......

If you want on or off the DIESEL "KnOcK" LIST just FReepmail me........

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days......

2 posted on 06/08/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

What’s wrong with doing both? The one proposal would seem to require everyone to buy hybrids just to make it work...wouldnt it?


3 posted on 06/08/2007 1:11:03 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: Armedanddangerous

Note that they are showing the GASOLINE figures and are ignoring the DIESEL fuels altogether.........


4 posted on 06/08/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

Does this study ignore the use of Bio-Diesel? It seems to me that would reduce the dependence on foreign oil and cut down on coal emissions at the same time.


5 posted on 06/08/2007 1:30:00 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Senator Palpatine for President in 2008!)
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To: Redcitizen

Apparently they are ignoring it as fast as they can.........


6 posted on 06/08/2007 1:31:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

Hybrids like the new Venture vehicles and Bio diesel would be a winner.

http://www.venturevehicles.com/


7 posted on 06/08/2007 1:33:01 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Senator Palpatine for President in 2008!)
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To: Redcitizen

I’ve seen that website before. I don’t think it’s really practical for a “family” sedan.........Single guys would love it, though.......


8 posted on 06/08/2007 1:37:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Redcitizen

The funny thing about bio-diesel is that it is only economical if there is no demand. If you are willing to collect refuse cooking oil and process it in your garage, keep quiet. As soon as it becomes popular, restaurants will quit giving it away.


9 posted on 06/08/2007 1:52:31 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Red Badger
It is tragic that so much money is being wasted on research into technologies like coal to liquid fuel, ethanol, bio-fuels, solar, wind etc. that make no economic sense on a massive scale.

Large electric power plants are the only way to reduce CO2 and meet our energy needs. People wish it weren’t so, but that’s where physical laws take us.

Hopefully more studies like this one will point our policy makers in the right direction.

10 posted on 06/08/2007 2:10:49 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Red Badger

So rather than using Liquid coal cars, they would use power from a Coal power plant to power their cars.

I’m lost again.

This is why I had to leave the enviormental movement.


11 posted on 06/08/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by Otaku6
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To: dangerdoc
If you are willing to collect refuse cooking oil

Biodiesel outgrew the cooking oil phase many moons ago.
12 posted on 06/08/2007 3:26:53 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Redcitizen

Most bio-diesel is currently being made from food crops.

That’s bad. Using edible fats to power vehicles just makes no sense to me. You can’t feed petroleum or coal to people, so let’s reserve the food crops for feeding people and animals, eh ?

What gets me about the whole electric vehicle and plug-in hybrid vehicle vs. CTL is that nobody ever questions the ultimate end point. You can’t fly fighter jets, bombers, or even passenger jets on electricity yet, but you could on CTL. Not sure about bio-diesel in jets, but I don’t like the idea of burning edibles anyway.


13 posted on 06/08/2007 3:44:38 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: BigBobber
Large electric power plants are the only way to reduce CO2

And what do you propose to run such a plant on?
14 posted on 06/08/2007 3:48:21 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BigBobber

Electric jets ? I didn’t know that was possible. Please tell me more ! Or maybe the Repulsine electric flying saucer will replace all our fighters, bombers, and airliners ?

Did you forget that our military strength, airline industry, etc. do not have electric alternatives yet ? They are kind of important to us as a nation.


15 posted on 06/08/2007 3:49:00 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: BigBobber
so much money is being wasted on research into technologies

Sure, but it's FedGov money or Calif or some other Gov't money, not real money. How about that Energy Dept? What are they now? $15 billion a year?

16 posted on 06/08/2007 3:51:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Red Badger

Although it works quite well making coal into liquid gasoline to run automobiles, you can also use coal as a solid to run cars.

This was done in Stanley Steamers as well as in the gunpowder motors of the 1910’s that used gravity to draw gunpowder into a combustion chamber.

Well, coal (even in solid form) can likewise be directly used for combustion.


17 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kellis91789

Electric fighters jets (sub-orbital and orbital versions for that matter) are quite possible with existing on-board nuclear power.


18 posted on 06/08/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kellis91789

Electric fighter jets (sub-orbital and orbital versions for that matter) are quite possible with existing on-board nuclear power.


19 posted on 06/08/2007 3:59:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Red Badger

As GM finally admitted after teasing the Volt, they don’t have a battery to use. Been the problem all along, and will likely remain for the near future. Battery energy density is too low, or costs are way too high.


20 posted on 06/08/2007 4:01:56 PM PDT by Tarpon
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