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CMU: Plug-in Hybrids “More Sensible” Use of Coal Than Coal-to-Liquids
www.greencarcongress.com ^ | 06/08/2007 | Staff

Posted on 06/08/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by Red Badger

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1 posted on 06/08/2007 1:08:58 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: sully777; Fierce Allegiance; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.......

If you want on or off the DIESEL "KnOcK" LIST just FReepmail me........

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days......

2 posted on 06/08/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

What’s wrong with doing both? The one proposal would seem to require everyone to buy hybrids just to make it work...wouldnt it?


3 posted on 06/08/2007 1:11:03 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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Note that they are showing the GASOLINE figures and are ignoring the DIESEL fuels altogether.........


4 posted on 06/08/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

Does this study ignore the use of Bio-Diesel? It seems to me that would reduce the dependence on foreign oil and cut down on coal emissions at the same time.


5 posted on 06/08/2007 1:30:00 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Senator Palpatine for President in 2008!)
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Apparently they are ignoring it as fast as they can.........


6 posted on 06/08/2007 1:31:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Red Badger

Hybrids like the new Venture vehicles and Bio diesel would be a winner.

http://www.venturevehicles.com/


7 posted on 06/08/2007 1:33:01 PM PDT by Redcitizen (Senator Palpatine for President in 2008!)
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To: Redcitizen

I’ve seen that website before. I don’t think it’s really practical for a “family” sedan.........Single guys would love it, though.......


8 posted on 06/08/2007 1:37:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Redcitizen

The funny thing about bio-diesel is that it is only economical if there is no demand. If you are willing to collect refuse cooking oil and process it in your garage, keep quiet. As soon as it becomes popular, restaurants will quit giving it away.


9 posted on 06/08/2007 1:52:31 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Red Badger
It is tragic that so much money is being wasted on research into technologies like coal to liquid fuel, ethanol, bio-fuels, solar, wind etc. that make no economic sense on a massive scale.

Large electric power plants are the only way to reduce CO2 and meet our energy needs. People wish it weren’t so, but that’s where physical laws take us.

Hopefully more studies like this one will point our policy makers in the right direction.

10 posted on 06/08/2007 2:10:49 PM PDT by BigBobber
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So rather than using Liquid coal cars, they would use power from a Coal power plant to power their cars.

I’m lost again.

This is why I had to leave the enviormental movement.


11 posted on 06/08/2007 2:12:45 PM PDT by Otaku6
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If you are willing to collect refuse cooking oil

Biodiesel outgrew the cooking oil phase many moons ago.
12 posted on 06/08/2007 3:26:53 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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Most bio-diesel is currently being made from food crops.

That’s bad. Using edible fats to power vehicles just makes no sense to me. You can’t feed petroleum or coal to people, so let’s reserve the food crops for feeding people and animals, eh ?

What gets me about the whole electric vehicle and plug-in hybrid vehicle vs. CTL is that nobody ever questions the ultimate end point. You can’t fly fighter jets, bombers, or even passenger jets on electricity yet, but you could on CTL. Not sure about bio-diesel in jets, but I don’t like the idea of burning edibles anyway.


13 posted on 06/08/2007 3:44:38 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: BigBobber
Large electric power plants are the only way to reduce CO2

And what do you propose to run such a plant on?
14 posted on 06/08/2007 3:48:21 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BigBobber

Electric jets ? I didn’t know that was possible. Please tell me more ! Or maybe the Repulsine electric flying saucer will replace all our fighters, bombers, and airliners ?

Did you forget that our military strength, airline industry, etc. do not have electric alternatives yet ? They are kind of important to us as a nation.


15 posted on 06/08/2007 3:49:00 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: BigBobber
so much money is being wasted on research into technologies

Sure, but it's FedGov money or Calif or some other Gov't money, not real money. How about that Energy Dept? What are they now? $15 billion a year?

16 posted on 06/08/2007 3:51:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Red Badger

Although it works quite well making coal into liquid gasoline to run automobiles, you can also use coal as a solid to run cars.

This was done in Stanley Steamers as well as in the gunpowder motors of the 1910’s that used gravity to draw gunpowder into a combustion chamber.

Well, coal (even in solid form) can likewise be directly used for combustion.


17 posted on 06/08/2007 3:55:07 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kellis91789

Electric fighters jets (sub-orbital and orbital versions for that matter) are quite possible with existing on-board nuclear power.


18 posted on 06/08/2007 3:58:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kellis91789

Electric fighter jets (sub-orbital and orbital versions for that matter) are quite possible with existing on-board nuclear power.


19 posted on 06/08/2007 3:59:05 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Red Badger

As GM finally admitted after teasing the Volt, they don’t have a battery to use. Been the problem all along, and will likely remain for the near future. Battery energy density is too low, or costs are way too high.


20 posted on 06/08/2007 4:01:56 PM PDT by Tarpon
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