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The 'Amnesty' Canard: John Kyl Talks About Efforts to Forge an Immigration Bill
Wall Street Journal ^ | 6/9/2007 | Collin Levy

Posted on 06/09/2007 5:05:57 AM PDT by georgiarat

WASHINGTON--For a man in the middle of the political storm of the moment, Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl is pretty low key. In his office in the Hart Senate building this week, with phones ringing and staff scampering around an office under construction, the key player in the Senate's immigration reform legislation wants to help me set up my tape recorder. As it teeters precariously on the arm of the couch, his eyes flick back and forth. "You want to put that right down here?" he asks, indicating the middle of the coffee table--a far more sensible choice.

As the 2008 campaigns get underway, political compromise is not the first item on many agendas. On Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pulled the immigration bill from the floor until further notice. This is the season when most of the political establishment would rather keep controversial topics for stump speeches or direct mail campaigns. So it takes a certain kind of grit to do what Sen. Kyl has been doing, trying finding a third way on an issue where few in his own Republican party are willing to bargain.

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Kyl makes many fallacious points in the article supported by the "We Only Want Cheap Labor" Wall Street Journal.

Among them: "As a practical matter, from a political standpoint, you can't have enforcement first. Democrats won't allow it,"

So Senator Kyl we should not enforce our laws is what you are saying. Can that go to income taxes also. Mayber Republicans should go along with not enforcing our tax laws. After Twenty years those that have been illegally not paying taxes could be given amnesty.

"Yet the vitriol doesn't always show up at the ballot box--some of the most hardcore opponents of illegal immigration lost their Arizona races last year."

That is because Arizona and others allowed the illegals to get a ballot and vote!!

"Ten years from now, if we have a good immigration bill and it took a couple of extra days to get there, no one will know what he did during those two or three days that were so important. Better let people have their say"

I could go for that. Put it up as a constitiutional amendment and let the people vote. I cannot go along with selling out this country. He is also wrong that people will forget about it. In 1964 the Rebublicans were the ones that provided the majority of the votes for Civil Rights but who got the credit? Democrats and the Black vote has been solidly Democratic since then. Think the Hispanics and other illegals will proceed differently?

Senator, not all Americans are that stupid!

1 posted on 06/09/2007 5:05:58 AM PDT by georgiarat
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Kyl is a phony and he needs to go.


2 posted on 06/09/2007 5:09:56 AM PDT by etradervic (Any Conservative in 2008)
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To: georgiarat
We don't need a Immigration Bill, we need a Deportation Bill.
3 posted on 06/09/2007 5:11:45 AM PDT by blam
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"As a practical matter, from a political standpoint, you can't have enforcement first. Democrats won't allow it," Mr. Kyl says.

Then why write new laws - they won't be enforced!

4 posted on 06/09/2007 5:14:20 AM PDT by Swordfished
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... what that means is you are basically going to send that crop, the melons and the tomatoes and the lettuce . . . to Mexico.

It may be worth the try. Then the pickers would follow the crops. Yes, it would cause some economic pain here, but I'd rather deals with solutions to that than accept the solutions proposed.

5 posted on 06/09/2007 5:25:32 AM PDT by LantzALot (Yes, it’s my opinion. No, it’s not humble.)
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To: georgiarat
Finding out about Kyl is like learning your spouse is having an affair. I always thought I could trust Kyl, not anymore.
6 posted on 06/09/2007 5:29:15 AM PDT by elizabetty (Perpetual Candidate using campaign donations for your salary - Its a good gig if you can get it.)
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To: georgiarat

The Wall Street Journal is a disgrace.

I will NEVER buy that newspaper again.


7 posted on 06/09/2007 5:31:58 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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The Wall Street Journal is a disgrace.

They are selling to Murdoch. It will take a few years but he will eventually replace the leftists with intellectuals. In the meantime IBD works.
8 posted on 06/09/2007 5:36:42 AM PDT by etradervic (Any Conservative in 2008)
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To: georgiarat
Mexico's Economic Reform Plan:


9 posted on 06/09/2007 5:38:03 AM PDT by etradervic (Any Conservative in 2008)
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“As a practical matter, from a political standpoint, you can’t have enforcement first. Democrats won’t allow it...”

If that is true, then why compound the problem by granting amnesty? The fact that the Dems won’t allow for the enforcement of the law is just more proof that this whole thing is a sham.


10 posted on 06/09/2007 5:44:50 AM PDT by Brilliant
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For those who say, 'This bill is amnesty, we shouldn't pass it,' one of my responses is, 'OK, so do you like what we have?'"
What a nitwit. We don't like the non-plan that promises nothing but failure to stop the invasion. That means we like the invasion.

What a nitwit.

11 posted on 06/09/2007 5:46:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: etradervic

IBD is head and shoulders about the sellouts at The Wall Cheap Urinal.


12 posted on 06/09/2007 5:47:45 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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Are they all so extremely stupid or are they all just craven liars?

Do they really not know the alternative: secure the borders.

Or do they know it and just lie and pretend it doesn’t exist as an alternative?


13 posted on 06/09/2007 5:48:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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We don’t like a bill that LIES about border enforcement.

We don’t like a bill that gives immediate legal status to every illegal while at the same time causing a flood of more illegals across the border as ZERO fence is in place and ZERO border agents are added.

The garbage bill makes matters worse IMMEDIATELEY.

Only and idiot would not see through this crap.

14 posted on 06/09/2007 5:49:59 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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Kyl makes many fallacious points in the article supported by the "We Only Want Cheap Labor" Wall Street Journal. Among them: "As a practical matter, from a political standpoint, you can't have enforcement first. Democrats won't allow it,"

This is a huge political opportunity. 72% of Americans want border security first (Pew Poll). The fence is authorized and only 2 miles have been built. Let the dems block the fence. We have, at that point, the best issue for CONSERVATIVES (not Republicans) that we have had since the Jimmy Carter economy and appeasement in 1980 and HillaryCare in 1994.

Look at the Pew Poll and lets not get sidetracked on amnesty--that's being against something. The key pressure point is border security. We can be for something that 72% of Americans want and that the establishment Dems loathe.

It also gives our 2008 candidate a big issue to run against W on (other than Iraq--and we don't want an R surrender monkey running in 2008). That will be key in winning in 2008.

This issue can carry a lot of conservatives into office. And it can get the border fence built. But we have to keep our focus and just keep saying it over and over.

ENFORCE THE BORDER. ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS.

I have been really glum about America's future up until now. This victory, and the public focus on border security, is a once in a generation political opportunity. We can flip the 2006 results with this issue.

One other point. Let's not get sidetracked on saying nasty things about Mexicans. Aside from the fact that there are a bunch of great folks who are Mexican (some illegal--I know, I used to live at the edge of the barrio in LA), "hating" Mexicans just doesn't work in American politics. It's not in our nature to hate immigrants. Ronald Reagan would never have run such a campaign and we should learn from that.

So when you (generic--not directed at georgiarat) start thinking about illegals in terms like "ants" or "maggots" (I have seen both terms used here on FR), stop and think: God loves them as much as he loves you. They have dads and moms and brothers and sisters and kids just like you. And they probably attend church and follow Jesus more than the average American, certainly more than the average New Yorker. If that doesn't work, stop and think: if we use terms like that, we probably won't get our border security because the NY Times will flip that right back at us. The left desperately wants to change the subject here. Don't let them.

15 posted on 06/09/2007 5:51:08 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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IBD is head and shoulders about the sellouts at The Wall Cheap Urinal.

Agreed. It is not even close.
16 posted on 06/09/2007 5:53:41 AM PDT by etradervic (Any Conservative in 2008)
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Unless Murdoch follows the advice of his new mentor... hildebeast.

LLS


17 posted on 06/09/2007 5:57:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: new yorker 77

There is a Michele Malkin video going around of an editorial board meeting at the WSJ that will really piss you off.


18 posted on 06/09/2007 7:14:30 AM PDT by moreisee
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The garbage bill makes matters worse IMMEDIATELEY.
Yup.
19 posted on 06/09/2007 7:14:54 AM PDT by samtheman
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Go to hell, Kyl. And take my President with you.


20 posted on 06/09/2007 7:15:40 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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