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Occupation, not Islam, ‘drives suicide attacks’(gag alert)
Cleveland Jewish News ^ | June 9, 2007 | MARILYN H. KARFELD

Posted on 06/09/2007 5:14:06 PM PDT by Baladas

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Ohhh, he even bought a copy of the Koran before this "professor" started making making excuses for suicide bombers this time!
1 posted on 06/09/2007 5:14:10 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

This guy is a moron, but he has one thing right. Communism and anarchism have always been associated with suicide bombings, and it’s one of the reason why the leftists feel so much at home with the Muslims—they both are full of rage at anyone who doesn’t think as they do and do what they say, and they both have a fondness for killing.

Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot killed more than a hundred million people, mainly because they liked the idea of ideological killings.

It has little or nothing to do with occupation, the other thesis this guy raises. Muslims and Communists just feel a righteous enjoyment in killing people.

Islam may prove to be the worst enemy of all. It has certainly been around for a long time, causing misery. But Communism did a pretty good job killing people in the twentieth century.


2 posted on 06/09/2007 5:22:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Baladas
I did not read the article.

So I am occupied by lying liberals and I need to tie explosives around me and go blow someone up.

NOT LIKELY. My religion is a religion of peace and though I have a hard time living up to it, I will only kill in self defense.

3 posted on 06/09/2007 5:22:29 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: Baladas

How can ANY occupying force “drive” a suicide attack?

If the objective is to get the occupying conquerer to depart, suicide attacks would seem to be totally counterintuitive. The suicide attacks are not, for the most part, directed against the army of liberation, but against the civilian population, or the local native police power, not the foreign army.

In fact, the suicide attacks are clear proof that the situation is still subject to oversight, and CANNOT be left to its own fate.


4 posted on 06/09/2007 5:24:43 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: Baladas

How come Saddam was paying $25,000 or so to all families of homicide bombers in Israel? Why did they leave videos that said they were following the word of Allah? Why do they clean up and make sure they are clean for their meeting with their 72? All this and he says they are not Islamic fundamentalist. Something is wrong with this fellow or is it that he is just another left winger who like all left wingers wants Israel and the United States to be destroyed?


5 posted on 06/09/2007 5:26:48 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: Baladas
And this idiot is a Jew!! Who writes this shiiiiit while his own kind are murdered by suicidal islamic fanatics.

Just Stunning !!

6 posted on 06/09/2007 5:31:49 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: rmlew; Yehuda; SJackson; Alouette; dennisw

Suicidal stupid jew alert.


7 posted on 06/09/2007 6:00:02 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Just as the US is in peril because of its enemies within, so is the State of Israel.


8 posted on 06/09/2007 6:13:21 PM PDT by 353FMG (Some say it's a melting pot, others liken it to a pressure cooker.)
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To: Baladas

Quite a fatuous argument: the 7/7 Tube attacks in London are blamed on British occupation of what?

If it were occupation, rather than some gloss on Islam, the Basques and Catalans, the Germans and Japanese in 1946, and all the peoples of Eastern Europe during the Cold War, would have resorted to suicide bombing.

Send the nitwit a copy of the writings of Sayyed Qutb. As one level the good professor is right: classical Islam, while having a perverse notion of martyrdom that includes death in battle, contains strong prohibitions against suicide. However, the importation of existenstialist ideas into Qu’ranic intepretation by Qutb has been used to override the Qu’ranic prohibition on suicide.

Maybe someone tell the assorted imams, mullahs and muftis who advocate suicide attacks that existentialism, with its notion of ‘absolute commitment’ as the source of a meaningful life (or death), is a kufir philosophy,and that following Qutb’s reading of the Qu’ran is not pure Islam.


9 posted on 06/09/2007 6:13:23 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts


10 posted on 06/09/2007 6:21:34 PM PDT by familyop
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To: The_Reader_David

“Quite a fatuous argument: the 7/7 Tube attacks in London are blamed on British occupation of what?”

Well, gotta be a few offices in Arabia plus once in a while some street footage...


11 posted on 06/09/2007 6:26:09 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: Cicero
The "left", in general, not just the Commies, has always been involved in terroristic and suicide bombings.

The lefties were such a problem in the 1920s the US government was forced to adopt design standards for post offices so that when (not if) the bombers decided to blow one up, few people would be hurt or killed, and the building would not be put out of operation.

For the most part those design standards are still used. Check out how close you can park to the main mail processing area deep within the inside of a MPC (Mail Processing Center) next time.

When Tim McVeigh blew up the Murrah federal building, the US Post office across the street was barely damaged, and then not in any critical areas.

12 posted on 06/09/2007 6:27:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Baladas

Does this maroon think I give a crap that suicide bombings in Israel have been replaced by random mortar and rocket attacks. The evil ones have just replaced one failing tactic with a new tactic.


13 posted on 06/09/2007 6:29:34 PM PDT by MS from the OC (Submission? That's a bit of a problem!)
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Rather, they are driven by the political goal of compelling foreign combat forces, with their tanks and fighter aircraft, to leave territory “the terrorists consider their homeland or they prize greatly.”

I see. They were trying to drive the occupying forces out of New York City, which of course, belongs to them.

14 posted on 06/09/2007 6:53:57 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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“Every suicide campaign since 1980 has been carried out by groups seeking self-determination for territory,” he says.


I got about this far and it all clicked.

Muslims want territory. As a religious group, they want Israel!

The rest is just appologies.


15 posted on 06/09/2007 7:04:04 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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16 posted on 06/09/2007 7:55:46 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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It was all so much blather but this was the iceing on the cake for me.

“Unlike Vietnam, where America simply pulled out its troops with minimal repercussions...”

The repercussions were certainly minimal behind the ivy’d walls of acadamia as for the South Vietnamese people and then the Cambodians ,well that was another story.


17 posted on 06/09/2007 7:56:50 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Baladas; Alouette; SJackson; F15Eagle; M. Espinola; Esther Ruth; Convert from ECUSA; ...
"“Over 95% of all suicide attacks are not religious,” Pape says. "

Bravo Sierra.




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Religious motivation

Suicide attacks serve other purposes besides inflicting damage. First, they generate the maximum amount of publicity for the cause, and second, they force outside intervention. The emergence of 24-hour global news networks such as CNN and the explosive growth of the internet have enabled virtual global awareness.

Ideological support of suicide bombings in the Middle East is not hard to come by. While the Qur’an in Surah an-Nisaa (Chapter: ‘The Women’), verse 29 seems specifically to forbid suicide, the chapter’s 75th verse enjoins that fighting oppression is commendable. This ambiguity extends to the clergy. In 1997, Jerusalem’s Grand Mufti Ekrima Sabri, Imam of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Palestine’s most important religious figure, commented in an interview: “The person who sacrifices his life as a Muslim will know if God accepts it and whether it is for the right reason. God in the end will judge him and whether he did that for a good reason or not. We cannot judge. The measure is whether the person is doing that for his own purposes, or for Islam.” The ideological debate is whether the bombing is in fact a suicide or related to a jihad against oppression.

The Islamic jurist Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi had labelled such attacks “among the greatest forms of holy struggle against oppression.” On 1 August, according to the UK’s Sunday Times, the High Islamic Council in Saudi Arabia issued a fatwa encouraging Palestinian women to become suicide bombers. [Source: Janes.com - Suicide bombing: no warning, and no total solution]

Islam is so schizophrenic and self-contradictory, it needs to be completely marginalized and rejected.

18 posted on 06/09/2007 8:17:05 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Baladas

“Ohhh, he even bought a copy of the Koran before this “professor” started making making excuses for suicide bombers this time!”

Your reaction, and that of others here, to this man’s work displays more emotion than thought.

Perhaps you should have a look at this:

http://wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu/kamikaze/

Often people have taken a stand, against impossible odds, to protect something they valued. Sometimes the odds were such that their action would be deemed “suicidal” by most people who were not in their situation.


19 posted on 06/09/2007 8:38:08 PM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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To: Baladas

Yeah, and our occupation of Europe during WWII caused the concentration camps......


20 posted on 06/09/2007 9:10:51 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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