VIN SUPRYNOWICZ: In fact, illegals are taking the jobs skilled Americans used to do

Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 10 june 07 | VIN SUPRYNOWICZ

[rellimpank]

It's part of a father's proper role -- political correctness urges us to say "parent," but a mother's tendency toward uncritical support can be a problem, here -- to sit down for a chat with the child as he or she prepares to depart primary school and choose a course of study.

By this time, the young person's head will likely be filled with accounts of successful athletes, musicians, actors and runway spokesmodels who have earned vast fortunes after thumbing their noses at traditional education. A sober analysis of just how few -- out of the millions who aspire -- even earn a living in those fields is called for. Even in that rare "success story," how often does the career end by age 30, and where do you go from there?

Also to be dealt with at this point, generally, is the assertion that cousin Bob is making a higher

[rellimpank]

--Vin on our most pressing problem--

[Texas Jack]

I heard this morning on a replay of the Laura Ingram show that a lot of the illegals will qualify for the Earned Income Credit and that the cost to American taxpayers over the next ten years is estimate at $20 billion dollars.

[sig226]

They'll do a lot more than that. Several friends used to be roofers and drywallers. They had to make a choice: run crews full of illegals or find another line because they can't play by the rules and compete. What will happen when all these illegals become taxpayers and have to be declared on FICA and unemployment and workmans' compensation and general liability?

They will become unemployable. Why would anyone choose to employ someone who can't speak English at the same cost as people who can? There just aren't that many clinically insane contractors out there. So the new citizens and guest workers will find themselves unemployed and the crews will find a new batch of post amnesty illegals to do the same thing, for the same promise of citizenship if they just break enough laws.

[banjo joe]

From the piece: The ILLEGALS drove down the price for installing tile by more than 60 percent. Of course they were stealing supplies from their employers during the week and using them on their "side jobs," thus getting a leg up on me along with the fact that they didn't pay state licensing fees or bonding and insurance. ...

Some would say that's the free market at work... tough.

The guy makes other very good points, such as "...our elected representatives represent illegals, not us".

[Vigilanteman]

Everytime I read one of these stories, which, thanks to our enemedia isn’t nearly often enough, it makes my blood boil. There will be a tipping point when our own people will break into our local armories and go make citizens arrests of our compromised electoral traitors.

[sig226]

You live in Pennsylvania. Why would you need to break into the local armory? :)

[Gritty]

[Condor 63]

They will become unemployable. Why would anyone choose to employ someone who can't speak English at the same cost as people who can?

I have my doubts. They will still work for less just not as little as they were under the table. In other words still putting the drive in driving down the wages. The main problem we have is that no matter what deal they get it will probably still be better than the one the would get back in Mexico. Most will fight to stay here until they have sucked the last penny they can out of the system.

I firmly believe most of them will have to be physically removed from this Country. Until we have a government that is prepared to do that, the illegals aren't going anywhere.

A good first step is making sure they are cut off from the welfare and making sure those that employ them spend time in jail.

[NVDave]

They can drive down wages to the minimum wage.

But most people are missing what an employer has to shell out to employ even a minimum-wage employee:

1. The other half of the FICA/Medicare payment.
2. Overtime when the employees are on the job longer than 40 hours per week.

Employers who have been paying illegals under the table, or, at best 1099-ing them, are going to see a substantial increase in both paperwork and employment costs when these illegals become “legal” employees and start demanding legal wages.

And I’m sure the various grievance groups will create programs to report employers who aren’t paying the full wage, and unions will rush in to unionize many of these employees.

So now employers will have a choice: employ someone who can’t speak English and follow directions easily, or someone who can. The costs will be the same. That answer is pretty obvious, especially on construction sites.

[Kozak]

The cost of amnesty to US taxpayers will be in the TRILLIONS. From the Heritage Foundation. Read it and weep.

Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at Least $2.6 Trillion

[Wilhelm Tell]

They will still work for less just not as little as they were under the table. In other words still putting the drive in driving down the wages.

The big business Republicans win because this will drive down wages. The Democrats win because these will be disadvantaged workers who can be radicalized and unionized. Better yet, there will be radical, "ethnic" unions that will represent them and the Democrats can play the class and race cards all day long.

Skilled Americans who want to make a good wage will be at a disadvantage, but no one represents them. The Republicans see them as a nuisance and the Democrats see them as a threat.

[Kozak]

Some would say that's the free market at work... tough.

Oh so it's "free market" to ignore all laws and undercut your legitimate competitors and drive them out of buisness? Guess I'll go into business with a crew of slaves, then I can undercut the guys hiring the illegals.

[Dems_R_Losers]

Unfortunately our out-of-touch politicians think the Mexicans are coming here just to clean hotel rooms and pick vegetables. They don't have a clue about areas like suburban Atlanta and Louisville that have become overrun with illegals. There arean't any hotels or vegetable farms in those communities. These people have all come to work in construction, in jobs that Americans have ALWAYS done and wanted to do. They have unequivocally driven down wages and driven American contractors out of work. I hear about it all the time in my suburban Phliadelphia community, where there are not scads of illegals but there are enough to be causing some pain for local contractors.

What amazes me the most is that our liberal politicians fail to recognize that cnstruction has always been one of the few areas where a man can make a good living withot a college degree. Those blue-collar workrs used to be the heart of the Democrat party. I guess the Democrats are too busy counting the future votes of all the Mexicans that they are going to turn into citizens.

[Kozak]

Read a little history.
In the early Roman Republic only landowning citizens were allowed to fight in the legions. these were almost exclusively owners of small family farms. Over time as the Republic grew towards empire, and the wars became longer and more distant, as levies of soldiers were unable to serve and maintain their farms. The reward of the citizen Legionaries was to return home to ruined farms, in debt which were then bought up by the wealthy Patricians. They then farmed them with the slaves captured by the same Legionaries they now displaced. Those free citizens not yet ruined were forced to compete in the “free market” with the slave run estates, forcing even more into ruin. The displaced freeman, then congregated in Rome as mobs of the unemployed, where they received the free grain ration. The “bread” part of the program of “bread and circuses”. Does this pattern ring a bell?

“What form of government have we?”

“A Republic, if we can keep it.”
Benjamin Franklin

[marktwain]

Vin is a committed liberterian. But, you cannot have liberterianism without the rule of law.

[Kozak]

It’s a win win for the Rats. They get the new illegal voters, AND they get the US citizens who used to be employed in construction, who over time might have made a nice middle class life for themselves and been tempted to vote Republican. Stick them on the Democrat Welfare Plantation, and they are there to vote for the Rats forever...

[LantzALot]

There will be a tipping point when our own people will break into our local armories and go make citizens arrests of our compromised electoral traitors.

While they're at it, they should break into the roofers' shops for a few barrels of tar, and into the poultry processors' establishment for a truckload of feathers.

[Condor 63]

So now employers will have a choice: employ someone who can’t speak English and follow directions easily, or someone who can. The costs will be the same. That answer is pretty obvious, especially on construction sites.

The problem with your theory is that it assumes there are plenty of Americans willing to work those jobs at minimum wage once the illegals drive the prices down to that level.

If liberalism has proven anything it has proven there are plenty of native born Americans that would rather sit on their behinds and collect a government check rather than work minimum wage. I don't see how driving unskilled wages down to minimum legal helps anyone but the employers, and that benefit is only short term up to the point where many unemployed Americans can't afford their services anymore.

I'm back to my original point. Illegals will have to be driven out of this country by force. They won't leave up to the very point where they have to and they have a distinct advantage in the workplace because they are willing to work for much less money and benefits. They hold that advantage regardless they are here legally or not - and you can look around everywhere and see this.

[Notary Sojac]

(Reid's) thinking was we could never round up 12 million people and deport them, although he seems to believe the government can somehow round up even more drug users who are citizens and ruin their lives.

Yep, spot on, damn straight, and you got it, Vin.

[Titan Magroyne]

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