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Hmong sense new betrayal
Sacbee ^ | 10 JUNE 2007 | Stephen Magagnini

Posted on 06/10/2007 5:58:53 AM PDT by radar101

Arrests stir memory of 1970s U.S. abandonment after Vietnam War.

The hopes, dreams, achievements and fears of America's Hmong surfaced at a Sacramento banquet Thursday night -- along with a sense that the U.S. government, their greatest benefactor, had betrayed them again.

The man who guided the Hmong journey from the mountains and jungles of Laos to a new life of opportunity in America, Gen. Vang Pao, sits in the Sacramento County jail on charges of plotting a violent overthrow of communist Laos.

Vang, 77, is one of 10 men arrested and charged in Sacramento federal court last week with plotting a full-scale coup against Laos that would have included AK-47 assault rifles, ground-to-air Stinger missiles, anti-tank weapons and a mercenary army. The older members of the alleged conspiracy include Hmong men -- Laotian mountain tribesmen -- who followed Vang Pao as he waged war under the CIA's direction against Southeast Asian communists between 1961 and 1975.

Vang, 77, has survived a stroke and heart bypass surgery in recent years and suffers from diabetes and high cholesterol. But many still consider him the heart and soul of America's 250,000 Hmong and the thousands of others still trapped in Thailand and the jungles of Laos, where Amnesty International reports they have been assaulted and murdered by the Laotian military.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 06/10/2007 5:58:55 AM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to promote the well-being of the Hmong that have made it to the USA?
2 posted on 06/10/2007 6:02:16 AM PDT by pnh102
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To: radar101

I hope the Kurds never read this.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 6:06:21 AM PDT by FremontLives (If I must choose between righteousness and peace, I choose righteousness- Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: radar101

If this guy is in jail for plotting to overthrow the unelected government of Laos, what would be the appropriate punishment for our government officials for plotting to overthrow the elected government of the United States?


4 posted on 06/10/2007 6:08:56 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: radar101

Should have called himself a member of SDS or said he was part of Democratic Socialists of America and they would have left him alone.


5 posted on 06/10/2007 6:10:01 AM PDT by ikka
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To: pnh102
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to promote the well-being of the Hmong that have made it to the USA?

It would have made more sense to have stayed out of these people lives to begin with.

6 posted on 06/10/2007 6:10:58 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ikka

They plotted to overthrow a communist dictatorship, which is a bad, bad, bad, thing to do. If they were Islamists or communists who had plotted to overthrow a democratic government, then they would have been good, good, good. They would not be in jail now. They would be funded by a wealthy leftist donor and they would be freely seeking recruits in every college campus and prison in the country. There would be sympathetic editorials about the evils of democratic country X and about how nice and “idealistic” these Islamists or communists were.


7 posted on 06/10/2007 6:30:07 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: radar101
This article deserves to be read in it's entirety.

The hopes, dreams, achievements and fears of America's Hmong surfaced at a Sacramento banquet Thursday night -- along with a sense that the U.S. government, their greatest benefactor, had betrayed them again.

Don't fret and feel like the Lone Ranger, Vang. The U.S. government is selling us out to foreign invaders as well. It is something it does quite handily to those who support her with their blood, treasure and loyalty.

8 posted on 06/10/2007 6:33:37 AM PDT by Gritty (The only concession the pro-illegal immigration crowd makes is to honesty - Debra J. Saunders)
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Don't fret and feel like the Lone Ranger, Vang. The U.S. government is selling us out to foreign invaders as well. It is something it does quite handily to those who support her with their blood, treasure and loyalty.

I was going to tell the guy to be proud of all this. He is now, officially, in the same category as every other white, male, Republican Christian in America. Bend over and enjoy your new status, buddy.

9 posted on 06/10/2007 6:52:02 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: org.whodat
Not really possible. For the Hmong, the whole Nam thing was a zero sum game. The non-indigenous Chinese (NVA, RVN, NLF) folks had been persecuting and murdering the indigenous Hmong for over a thousand years.

It was pretty clear their long term ambition was to kill, cook and eat all of them, and that would take place just about now irrespective of what we might do in that part of the world.

At least we managed to rescue a portion of the people so the Hmong will not suffer the biological destruction the invading illegal immigrants had in mind for them.

Now we should turn our attention to protecting ourselves in the same way.

10 posted on 06/10/2007 7:01:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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"He is now, officially, in the same category as every other white, male, Republican Christian in America."

He, and hundreds of thousands like him, have been in that category since 1973. We didn't just learn how to screw our friends in 1999.

11 posted on 06/10/2007 7:10:38 AM PDT by norton
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To: radar101

This article is bleeding-heart leftist tripe. It is illegal for private citizens to plot the invasion of a foreign country while on U.S. soil. Anyone who needs the purpose of this law explained to them is a retard. This guy is charged with violating the law. To call such charges a “betrayal” by the U.S. Government is stupid and wrong. FReepers going along with this rot should be ashamed of themselves.


12 posted on 06/10/2007 8:38:42 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam
It is illegal for private citizens to plot the invasion of a foreign country while on U.S. soil.

LOL! Pretty much EVERYTHING is illegal, unless you're a Democrat...

13 posted on 06/10/2007 9:31:25 AM PDT by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: muawiyah
At least we managed to rescue a portion of the people so the Hmong will not suffer the biological destruction the invading illegal immigrants had in mind for them.

So you buy into the protectors of the world bunk? Every time we go help a foreign country we wind up with a bunch of their trash.

14 posted on 06/10/2007 10:19:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Since the Hmong are not a nation-state, nor were they ever, I don’t believe your statement is relevant.


15 posted on 06/10/2007 10:53:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
The Hmong are not leftwingers. These are the allies we pulled out of the hellhole the Dems wanted left behind in SE Asia. They were saved from genocide.

It is the left who want them punished.

16 posted on 06/10/2007 10:55:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat
BTW, you are definitely giving me the impression that not enough Hmong were slaughtered, cooked and eaten.

Sorry, I don't believe I'll be joining you for dinner.

17 posted on 06/10/2007 10:57:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
Walker was one of the first and is a hero to many and vilified by the Banana republics. What aches me is that no other country says squat about those that are plotting to bomb and kill US citizens and freely gives them refuge without repercussions.

IMO the US should reciprocate the favour given to us by all of the countries that those plotters get away with their treachery (ie, let them alone as long as their countries ignore our safety)

18 posted on 06/10/2007 5:29:45 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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No! You should be ashamed of yourself, rogue whatever!!!

That stupid law allows this very thing to go on with impunity if is against "an enemy" of the USA!

The Laotion government are Communists in case you hadn't noticed, but since our stupid State Department sees nothing wrong with Communism, they refuse to declare it an enemy government, like Cuba.

You'll notice they didn't prosecute anyone for assisting the Tianemien Square efforts of Chinese students and they refuse to list Communist China as "an enemy" of the USA!!!

I guess we're unable to befriend anyone like we did Chaing Ki Sheck and the formosan government anymore because we're just too eager to over look the criminality of Communist regimes!

Look at the reception our President got in Albania today! Look how the other former Communist nations all over eastern Europe have stood with us on the WOT, INCLUDING THE WAR IN IRAQ!!!

Now we're probably going to be forced by Democrats to abandon the Kurds in Iraq, the only success story already being attacked by the Turks just like we abandoned these Hmong and now prosecute them for trying to free their homeland!!!

19 posted on 06/10/2007 6:05:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not just "in contempt of CONgress," I'm in contempt of all three branches of our governments!!!)
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To: vetvetdoug; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; calcowgirl; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; AuntB; ...
"What aches me is that no other country says squat about those that are plotting to bomb and kill US citizens and freely gives them refuge without repercussions."

That's because we're still keepin up that phony "moral highground" concept touted by lieberals in our liegeslatures!!!

20 posted on 06/10/2007 7:22:18 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not just "in contempt of CONgress," I'm in contempt of all three branches of our governments!!!)
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