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Israeli soul corrupted by 40 years of occupation
Capital Times ^ | 6-10-07 | Tsela Barr

Posted on 06/10/2007 5:23:43 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: SJackson

I seem to be clicking on every artical today that leaves me madder than the one before!

I’d better stop, while my family still loves me!


21 posted on 06/10/2007 6:19:51 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I'M WITH FRED!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Ms. Barr seems to have missed the news the Israelis evacuated Gaza almost two years ago. There's not a single Jew there to provoke the Palestinians. Yet they still kill other in the absence of Jews. If anything, the so called occupation were good days for the Arabs. They enjoyed a measure of freedom and stability they had never known under Jordanian and Egyptian rule. I would say oppression is bad if it exists; but it infinitely more terrible to be oppressed by your own kind. I think it was Mazzini who said that he would favor the return of the Austrians than allow the Italians to be slaves to themselves. The reason Israel left Gaza is Jews do not want to run an empire even if they're good at it. Yet despite such magnamity, I do not think Israel will be left alone to pursue its own life as it wants.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

22 posted on 06/10/2007 6:23:48 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SJackson

How can the Israelis “occupy” territory which has for millenia been a part of Israel? “Liberate” would be a more accurate term. God gave the land of Israel to the Jews, in an eternal covenant. It was the Muslim Palestinians who were occupiers of the rightful lands of the Israelis.


23 posted on 06/10/2007 6:31:44 PM PDT by reg45
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To: BipolarBob

“But if you or your sons turn away from me and do not observe the commands and decrees I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, then I will cut off Israel from the land I have given them and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name.” (1 Kings 9:6-7)

But God found fault with the people and said, “The time is coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” (Hebrews 8:8)

By calling this covenant “new,” He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13)

Read all the verses you can find concerning the covenant, put them together without ignoring any of them, and I believe you’ll find the covenant concerning the land was conditional.


24 posted on 06/10/2007 6:32:30 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager
I believe you’ll find the covenant concerning the land was conditional.

Yeah, it was/is. Really it's all conditional. I keep hoping a secular Israel will turn to God for a spiritual Israel. Just how did they think that 6-Day War came about?

25 posted on 06/10/2007 6:54:41 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob

“When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come upon you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations, and WHEN you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey Him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where He scattered you.” (Deut. 30:1-4)

and again:

“IF you obey the Lord your God and keep His commands...” (Deut 30:10)

How much more evidence would you like about the covenant’s being conditional and also that the old covenant became obsolete?

If that’s not enough evidence, then read 1 Kings 8 again. Read Jeremiah 7. Read Hebrews 8. Or if you don’t believe in the Bible, then note that there was no Israel for over 2,000 years — they lost it due to unbelief.

If you believe it was unconditional, you’d have to ignore a whole lot of scripture, not to mention, history.


26 posted on 06/10/2007 7:13:50 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: tabsternager
How much more evidence would you like about the covenant’s being conditional and also that the old covenant became obsolete?

Are you sure you're posting to the right person? I was agreeing with you that it was/is conditional. Everything on the table is conditional. Our salvation is free but conditional.

27 posted on 06/10/2007 7:45:40 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rear view mirror.)
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To: tabsternager; BipolarBob

Ezekiel 44:9

Zechariah 14:9

Malachi 3:6


28 posted on 06/10/2007 7:53:44 PM PDT by familyop (Noachide Chassid)
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To: SJackson
Anyone who quotes Noam Chomsky as a source of information pretty much says who this knucklehead is, and what his/her motivations happen to be. So let me fix this...

Tsela Barr is a member of Madison Friends of Jewish Voice for Peace Suicide.

Mark

29 posted on 06/10/2007 7:56:40 PM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: SJackson
Looking back on 1967, the biggest mistake that Israel made was not immediately telling the UN to go screw themselves, that they were attacked by ALL of their so called neighbors, and that the land was now a part of Israel proper, and if they didn't like it, they could go pound sand!

As far as I'm concerned, when one country attacks another, and then LOSES LAND, it's too late for them to cry "mulligan!" and get their losses back!

Mark

30 posted on 06/10/2007 7:59:43 PM PDT by MarkL (Environmental heretics should be burned at the stake, in a "Carbon Neutral" way...)
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To: SJackson

Either you forgot the Barf alert! Or you are just completely anti-semitic. Please clarify which.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 8:01:29 PM PDT by Greatgirl (From: Greatgirl)
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To: Greatgirl
1) "Barf Alert" designations are unnecessary -- Freepers can determine for themselves the worth of posted articles.

2) The threadmeister regularly posts articles about Israel has never shown even the slightest anti-semitic tendences.

32 posted on 06/10/2007 8:09:44 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: SJackson

Yup. It’s all the fault of the dastardly Israelis. There would have been no conflicts if the stupid jews had simply allowed themselves to be eradicated in 1948, or 1967, no wait, 1973.


33 posted on 06/10/2007 8:14:02 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: familyop
"Well, I won’t bad-mouth about Tsela..."

Why on Earth not? She wants the same thing Osama bin-Laden and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad want; she can share a pit with them in Hell for all I care.

34 posted on 06/10/2007 8:14:33 PM PDT by Fabozz (Thompson/Giuliani 08: A *real* Unity ticket)
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To: Fabozz
I really wrote:

"Well, I won’t bad-mouth about Tsela, but her words are saddening."

You quoted my words out of context. BTW, I disagree with your tagline, too. Duncan Hunter would be a far better president for the USA and Israel than "Thompson/Giuliani."
35 posted on 06/10/2007 8:25:03 PM PDT by familyop (Noachide Chassid)
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To: Fabozz
To clarify, Duncan Hunter would be a far better president for the USA and more of an ally for Israel than "Thompson/Giuliani," IMO.

As for Tsela, I disagree with her words, and so would the Rabbi who teaches me. As for why I wouldn't badmouth her, you probably wouldn't understand (unless you are a Chossid--a student of Orthodox Judaism). BTW, Duncan Hunter would probably also disagree with what Tsela wrote.

Israel Should Give Up 'Not One Inch' of Land, GOP Presidential Candidate Says (Duncan Hunter)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837301/posts

Rep. Duncan Hunter: 'I Will Never Abandon Israel'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1838134/posts
36 posted on 06/10/2007 8:32:35 PM PDT by familyop (Noachide Chassid (alien student))
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To: goldstategop

Let me see...20mil Arabs vs. 3mil Israelis. Israelis kicked their sorry butts, and the Arabs can’t hold a job,much less a country! After Billions of wasted ‘aid’ to these vagabonds,Israel is the still the target? I’ll stick with the Jews.


37 posted on 06/10/2007 10:25:14 PM PDT by tajgirvan
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To: SJackson
Israeli soul corrupted by 40 years of occupation

Actually, Israel has been occupied by the filthy maggots closer to 60 years, now...

Just saying®

38 posted on 06/10/2007 10:40:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Always Right
The only reason the Palestinians are still refugees is because Arabs want them to be justification to kill Jews.
Not to mention the fact that most of the "refugees" aren't "refugees" at all but moved into the area long after the fact, to lay claim to land in Israel once it was "driven into the sea" (the goal of the 1967 Arab military buildup) and ended up staying in "refugee camps" because the shiite holes they came from were no different or no better than the shiite holes they've made of their "refugee camps" and they probably aren't welcome back where they came from anyway just like they definitely are not welcome anywhere in the Arab world, which generally treats Palis as the lowest scum on the scumbag muzzie totem pole, except when they want to use them for political rhetoric, in which case they proclaim them to be the most oppressed people on earth.
39 posted on 06/11/2007 4:21:12 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: SJackson
According to Noam Chomsky, Israel has become a de facto offshore U.S. military base.
Noam Chomsky. Now there's somebody worth quoting.

When the next group of Nazis stoke up the next batch of ovens Noam Chomsky will be right there, running up and down the line of naked and starving Jews, assuring them that they are just going to be given a nice shower.

40 posted on 06/11/2007 4:25:56 AM PDT by samtheman
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