Islamism, A Disease Of The Muslim World

Middle East Transparent ^ | 6/10/07 | Samir Khalil Samir, sj

[Calpernia]

Guess you are one of those that believe Afghan and Iraq are a loss too.

Try checking out this site once in a while.

www.mnf-iraq.com

[drzz]

ISLAM is.

not ISLAMISM.

[Bon mots]

Basically the koran is powerless against evil.

Actually, I think that the Koran IS evil.

[bubman]

bump

[ScubieNuc]

Guess you are one of those that believe Afghan and Iraq are a loss too.

I don't know where you got that from. My point has to do with one of the major flaws of Islam....it's own koran and control of it's members.

As for Iraq and Afghanistan, freedom can prevail there, but only if America (it's people and it's leaders) don't give up. We can build freedom on what has been accomplished over there, but it may take 30, 40, 50 years before we can really see it take hold.

Sadly, I don't think America (it's political leaders or most of it's citizens) are willing to wait that long. The polls seem to say that they wanted it done yesterday. But that really is a whole different subject then what I was posting to you about.

Sincerely

[VOA]

Islamism, A Disease Of The Muslim World

And thanks to our current Administration, it will most likely
end up being a chronic infection of the USA.

And the Democrats are willing to help Dubya...as they advocate
pulling out of Iraq.
And bringing as many Iraqis that cast their lot with the USA...
back to America.

I guess the image of that helicopter lift-off from the US Embassy
in Saigon (oops, Ho Chi Minh City) is something they'd rather not
have repeated.
And laid at their Neville Chamberlain feet.

[ScubieNuc]

Actually, I think that the Koran IS evil.

Can't really argue with you there. Although if a Koran is just sitting on a shelf, nothing evil happens. Evil happens when someone reads it and follows Mohammed's example.

What I truely don't understand is why those prisoners in Gitmo are allowed to read the very propaganda that has them brainwashed in the first place!! If a crazy person was getting inspiration for heineous crimes by reading the Bible, I certainly wouldn't give that person a Bible to read in prison!

Sincerely

[Calpernia]

I don’t lend much weight to polls.

[ScubieNuc]

I don’t lend much weight to polls.

Fair enough. But if you had to answer the question today "Does America have the will to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq until they are secure and self-governing, even it it takes 40 years?" Would you answer "yes?"

[magslinger]

These were official translations. So the Imaan lead their sect with these translations.

I thought that only the Arabic was considered the true text and that all translations were considered inaccurate. Am I mistaken in this?

Don’t forget, that is why there is infighting amongst the Islamic Sects also.

Quite true, very similar to the often acrid disagreements between various Christian sects. /sarc

The violent nature of most of that infighting leads me to believe the more violent translations more than the peaceful ones.

[Capt. Tom]

Islam does not identify itself with radical islamism. But radical islamism is not foreign or separate to Islam: it is one of the possible readings of Islam (that is the Koran and the Sunnah); in short the worst possible reading. Yet this interpretation is openly promoted by the imam, who are convinced it is the most authentic, because it is the reading they themselves received, and because it is the most literal. It does not require an intellectual interpretation to reflect on the sayings and practices of the founders of Islam.

This author is saying the religion doesn't mean what it says. But then again the author is a religious Infidel, and probably wants Muslims to reinterpret their religion, so we can all get along. - Tom

[Recovering Hermit]

Let us defend Islam from Islamism.

Let's not.

[attiladhun2]

Or, it could be said in this manner:

Muslim supplies the bomb.
Islamist plants the bomb and detonates it.

[Calpernia]

>>>>I thought that only the Arabic was considered the true text and that all translations were considered inaccurate. Am I mistaken in this?

This was Arabic. That was my point in my first post saying there isn’t a literal translation of Arabic.

[Calpernia]

I would answer yes. This is why President Bush doesn’t do his fighting in the media.

[elcid1970]

Islam IS as Islam DOES!!

[ScubieNuc]

I would answer yes. This is why President Bush doesn’t do his fighting in the media.

Well, I commend you on your positive outlook.

The thing is, Bush won't be President for two more years, let alone 20 more years. Combined with the fact the the Republicans have cowered in Congress and a timetable for withdrawl was almost passed already, I'm afraid your confidence is going to be shaken.

I hate being a "glass half empty" kind of person, but I'm afraid America wont get the will to stay "until the job is done" until after we get hit again. The sad thing is, that could be too late.

Scubie

[Calpernia]

They couldn’t have cowarded in the corner. Withdrawal wasn’t passed. ;)

[happygrl]

But radical islamism is not foreign or separate to Islam: it is one of the possible readings of Islam (that is the Koran and the Sunnah); in short the worst possible reading. Yet this interpretation is openly promoted by the imam, who are convinced it is the most authentic, ...

This is what is called "hoisted on one's own petard."

[happygrl]

Basically the koran is powerless against evil. Even the koran itself admits this by saying that people with evil intent are not changed by reading the koran (sura III:7)

That is very different from the Bible which is God’s word and will not return to God void or without effect. (Isa. 55:11)

Things I learn on FR.

Very, very interesting.