[saveliberty]

Dear angkor,

I am not approaching this as a religious text, although you are free to do so.

So come up with something that will work and win. Why not reform welfare and health care so that the illegal immigration problem becomes smaller?

And I think that you are being hypersensitive about Fred Thompson. Sister Toldjah pointed out something in that post. Fred’s a big man, he can take it. Let him win people over or not.

I think the point that she was making was that a lot of conservatives are fed up with the holier than thou attitudes on immigration.

[angkor]

a lot of conservatives are fed up with the holier than thou attitudes on immigration.

Precisely.

As one who walked from marriage to residency to citizenship with my immigrant wife, and as one who knows well in excess of one hundred present and prospective immgrants, I do agree that George Bush and his quisling supporters in Congress have an extremly duplicitous, deceptive, and arrogant approach toward the American people and the passage of their monstrosity of a "reform" bill.

The consequences and issues that they are trying desperately to hide show complete and total contempt for their former supporters.

[NonLinear]

Dear angkor,

I am not approaching this as a religious text, although you are free to do so.

So come up with something that will work and win. Why not reform welfare and health care so that the illegal immigration problem becomes smaller?

How about starting by doing what they said they would do in 1986? Control the border, enforce the law. Why is that easier after granting amnesty?

And yes it is amnesty. There are no required $9000 fines to get the Z visa, only to get citizenship. They are immediately legal.

Besides, you and I will be paying that $9000 for them via tax breaks - getting "refunds" in excess of taxes paid and more social programs.

It's really quite ironic when you think about it.