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Tony Snow: LIVE on Fox and Friends (Subject: Bush's Immigration Push)
FOX & Friends

Posted on 06/12/2007 3:22:43 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Tony Snow is about to appear live on FOX & Friends on FOX News. The subject is Bush's push for immigration "reform".


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borders; bush; ice; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; scaretactics; sellout; snowjob; snowman; vampirebill; whitewash
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To: defconw
That’s just checking ID. How can an employer prove your documentation is authentic?

An employer should not have to be responsible for enforcing federal law, that’s why the 1986 amnesty bill was a dismal failure. Unless there is some federal vetting agency that employers can use to authenticate citizenship they should not be held to account for their employee’s legal status.

81 posted on 06/12/2007 4:51:49 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (BUILD THE WALL, ENFORCE THE LAW!)
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To: TomGuy

I know, it boggles the mind. It really does.


82 posted on 06/12/2007 4:52:28 AM PDT by defconw ( "God hasn't promised us tomorrow, but he has promised us eternity."- Tony Snow)
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To: AndyJackson

If you drop it now, you take the risk that a larger majority Democrat House and Senate, and possibly a Democrat President aren’t going to hand you something worse.

Your call.


83 posted on 06/12/2007 4:52:34 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: saveliberty
The irony is that the new bill made it tougher on employers.

Nonsense. Currently, large sectors of U.S.. business are vulnerable to RICO suits by citizens, due to their shameless conspiracies to hire illegal alien peasant labor.

Amnesty lets them off the hook. For at least 18 months after the signing of this abomination of a bill, there will be no apprehension or deportation of any illegal alien who might be eligible for a Z1 visa. That is the law as written in S. 1348.

84 posted on 06/12/2007 4:52:41 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Tony is much too good a man to be in position of having to push this garbage. The border will not be secured, and the border agents we have in place are so poorly trained that they let the man with TB in when he was in the computer as being sick and should not be allowed to enter.
Tony, don’t debase yourself any further by defending this bill. Take a step NOW by hiring more border agents and do a better job of TRAINING the ones we have-then you can get on tv and talk about S 1348.


85 posted on 06/12/2007 4:53:36 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Well they wrote the law in such a way, that there is no teeth in it. The id’s should have to be authenticated. It’s ridiculous, but that’s the government for you.


86 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:05 AM PDT by defconw ( "God hasn't promised us tomorrow, but he has promised us eternity."- Tony Snow)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Just say NO to Illegal Alien Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


87 posted on 06/12/2007 4:54:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: TomGuy
It is called and I9 form if I remember correctly. Every employer has to have one on file for each employee showing they are legally residents.

It is simply employers breaking the law.

It is already illegal to hire an illegal.

But the law is not enforced. Particularly under Bush II.

As the federal government increasingly looked the other way illegals coming into this country expanded dramatically.

That is why the incentive has to be stopped at the source - the employer that is willing to break the law and in affect steal from the local community where the illegals come to live. The penalties need to be increased and the accuracy of the checks need to be increased so there’s no excuses. And the bottom line is the law must be enforced.

88 posted on 06/12/2007 4:56:32 AM PDT by DB
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To: angkor

Dear angkor,

I am not approaching this as a religious text, although you are free to do so.

So come up with something that will work and win. Why not reform welfare and health care so that the illegal immigration problem becomes smaller?

And I think that you are being hypersensitive about Fred Thompson. Sister Toldjah pointed out something in that post. Fred’s a big man, he can take it. Let him win people over or not.

I think the point that she was making was that a lot of conservatives are fed up with the holier than thou attitudes on immigration.


89 posted on 06/12/2007 4:56:57 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: FreePaul
but I’ve lost all respect for him because of this.

Yep. I sure would like to know what it is they put in the water in DC that makes people completely loose any sense of a logicical thought process when they go there. I'd like to avoid whatever it is if possible......

90 posted on 06/12/2007 4:57:13 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Just the facts ma'am)
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To: defconw

LOL


91 posted on 06/12/2007 4:57:28 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: DB

Fine. Come up with a workable and realistic plan that will get illegals to take responsibility and register, an idea that Jackie Mason and Raoul Felder had in today’s American Spectator.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=11569


92 posted on 06/12/2007 4:59:21 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: katieanna
Tony is much too good a man to be in position of having to push this garbage.

He isn't pushing anything he doesn't believe himself. He was pro-illegals, pro-open borders, anti-fence even on his radio program. He hasn't been put in a position he didn't already agree with.
93 posted on 06/12/2007 5:00:15 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: saveliberty
Was this bill “amnesty”? No, it wasn’t, as the USAToday explains today in an editorial I agree with much of:

Over time, illegal immigrants would have to pay fines and fees of more than $9,000 (plus thousands more for each family member). They’d have to prove they’re working and have no significant criminal record. They’d have to learn English and American civics. And, if they want legal permanent residence, they’d have to return to their home country to apply for it there. Getting a green card would take at least eight years, citizenship at least 13.

I don’t really consider that “amnesty” nor “fast-tracking” and I’m not sure how anyone else could, either. What am I missing?

You're missing quite a lot. To put your claim that the Bush-Kennedy-McCain bill isn’t amnesty in the best possible light, you are uninformed about what the bill would do.

USA Today’s claim that it isn’t amnesty is disingenuous at best. None of the fines, or the work requirement, or the requirement they learn English, have any effect on anyone who doesn’t apply for “permanent” legal residency and later citizenship.

The day the law passes all 12 to 20 million illegal aliens can apply for “probationary” legal residence. This probationary legal residence status has to be granted or denied within 24 hours of the application and never expires.

It allows the aliens to enter and leave the country as they please. It allows them to work, gives them their own Social Security account, it allows them access to social services, etc. The probationary residents will be able to do everything a permanent resident can do. There are no fines, no requirements, and no expiration date on the probationary status.

The only difference between “probationary” legal residence and permanent legal residence is the probationary people can’t apply to become citizens. That is the only difference between the two. Anyone who doesn’t apply for “permanent” status doesn’t pay a fine, back taxes, or anything else. They just get their crimes forgiven and rewarded with legal status.

The bill also expressly grants amnesty to the criminal employers who’ve been hiring the scofflaws.

Anyone who tells you the Bush-Kennedy-McCain bill isn’t amnesty isn’t being honest with you or is totally ignorant of the facts.

94 posted on 06/12/2007 5:00:45 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Clint N. Suhks
The federal government could make it much easier to accurately check legal status. Having an online photo of the person that holds a particular social security number would go along ways towards that end. Only employers with a federal tax ID should be able to access that information. By simply confirming that the social security number matches the persons picture would dramatically improve knowing if it is real or not. The employer could even report that it doesn’t appear to match and have someone from the federal government review it.
95 posted on 06/12/2007 5:01:28 AM PDT by DB
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To: angkor

I’ve been providing links, where are yours?


96 posted on 06/12/2007 5:01:39 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: imahawk

Did Doocey at least try some tough questions?


97 posted on 06/12/2007 5:04:23 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Bet you Bush wishes he had that "Fairness Doctrine" now, to STOP the debate!)
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To: TomGuy

Thanks for so informing. I didn’t know that. Has he ever talked about the toll on Americans? And American workers?

I have to tell you, white and black Americans can’t get good paying construction jobs anymore because of illegals. Even the Wendy’s and McDonald’s that used to be filled with high-school part time workers-nothing but Mexicans now who can barely understand me at the drive thru...and I live and work in a middle to upper middle part of my city.


98 posted on 06/12/2007 5:04:32 AM PDT by katieanna
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To: SUSSA

The problem with someone who tells me that I’m uninformed when I simply disagree is that I start seeing “Nutroots”.

Reasonable people are going to disagree. You are not going to eliminate dissent and you are going to cheese off some pretty good conservatives if you try.

You criticize Sister Toldjah yet she provides links. You provide your opinion, which is fine, and it’s your choice to recognize dissent or not.


99 posted on 06/12/2007 5:06:12 AM PDT by saveliberty (Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
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To: saveliberty
Illegals register?

Why?

Legal immigrants get their picture taken when issued a social security number. Temporary workers get their picture taken when they get a tax ID number.

Illegals don’t.

When a employer runs the provided social security number a picture comes up, the one the federal government took. If it matches, great. The employer is off the hook. If the employer doesn’t run the check or hires the person with a check that is clearly false then fine him big time. If they continue to do it, put them in jail. It’s a serious matter that should be taken seriously.

100 posted on 06/12/2007 5:06:15 AM PDT by DB
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