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How to Revive the Immigration Bill(Not my Title)

Posted on 06/12/2007 11:17:23 PM PDT by TheThinker

How to Revive the Immigration Bill By Robert Spencer FrontPageMagazine.com | June 12, 2007

With President Bush lobbying Congress to revive the defeated and disastrous immigration bill, authorities have a chance to recast the bill in a way that takes adequate measure of the national security implications of the immigration issue. And now, Lebanon, a nation currently under attack from al-Qaeda-linked terrorists, has shown the way with a measure that the President and Congress would do well to consider adapting for the United States. In an attempt to prevent jihadists from entering Lebanon from neighboring countries, the Lebanese Foreign Ministry and the General Security Department may stop giving entrants from Arab countries automatic entry visas; instead, they would have to apply at Lebanese missions in their native countries – allowing Lebanese officials time to scrutinize their applications and try to determine whether they are involved in jihad activity.

Such a proposal has a great deal to recommend it. Lebanon is treating immigration as a national security issue, as it manifestly is not only for Lebanon, but for the U.S. as well. With refreshing directness, Lebanese officials are considering heading off the problem at its source, or one of its sources, by restricting entry into the country from Arab countries from which jihadists come. Likewise the U.S. also could, and should, institute restrictions on immigration from Muslim countries. This issue has been clouded by national traumas about “racism,” but in fact it has nothing to do with racism, as jihadists with blonde hair and blue eyes are just as lethal, and should be just as unwelcome, as jihadists with dark skin, this is about taking prudent steps to protect ourselves and defend our nation. It is only a matter of common sense to recognize where the great majority of jihadists come from, and act accordingly.

Officials should proclaim a moratorium on all visa applications from Muslim countries, since there is no reliable way for American authorities to distinguish jihadists and potential jihadists from peaceful Muslims. Because this is not a racial issue, these restrictions should not apply to Christians and other non-Muslim citizens of those countries, although all should be subjected to reasonable scrutiny. Those who claim that such a measure is “Islamophobic” should be prepared to provide a workable way for immigration officials to distinguish jihadists from peaceful Muslims, or, if they cannot do so, should not impede basic steps the U.S. should take to protect itself. And Muslims entering from anywhere -- Britain, France -- should be questioned as to their adherence to Sharia and Islamic supremacism. This is not because anyone will expect honest answers, but so that answers proven false by the applicant’s subsequent activity can become grounds for deportation.

Meanwhile, this is not just an immigration problem. The Fort Dix and JFK Airport jihad terror plots uncovered in recent weeks not only underscore the need to fix our broken immigration policies, but they show the need also to deal with the fact that jihadists are already in the country. When twenty-six percent of Muslims in the United States who are under the age of thirty approve of suicide attacks in some circumstances, and two such attacks are uncovered in the last month, this is not an abstract problem. Islamic organizations in the U.S. who refuse to renounce and teach against political Islam should be reclassified as political organizations and made subject to all the controls and scrutiny to which political organizations are subject. And here again, words must be backed by deeds, or can justly be regarded with suspicion.

If national security were our priority, these proposals would not even be controversial. Nor would Islamic advocacy groups in the U.S., if national security were their priority, oppose them either. In fact, they might spur those groups to become more energetic in rooting out jihadists from among their ranks, and from among the Muslim community in America in general. Instead of the platitudes and half-measures we have seen up to now, along with active opposition to anti-terror efforts, we might see them take genuine steps to declare the ideology of jihad and Islamic supremacism beyond the pale of American Islam, and renounce political Islam and any intention, now or in the future, to replace the U.S. Constitution with Islamic Sharia law.

But instead, the national debate still degenerates all too easily into charges of “racism,” while the real national security issues involved in immigration are shunted aside. A time may come, all too soon, when the American people will wish they had not for so long indulged this luxury. The President and Congress have a chance now to take up the immigration debate anew, and to think like statesmen, not like politicians. A realistic look at immigration as a national security matter would be a good place to start.


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1 posted on 06/12/2007 11:17:27 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: TheThinker

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

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2 posted on 06/12/2007 11:19:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: TheThinker
How to Revive the Immigration Bill

Have a liberal president who has joined forces with ted kennedy twist the arms of conservatives in congress.

3 posted on 06/12/2007 11:24:17 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: TheThinker
How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico

I Like Ike.

The immigration giveaway

Take the Pledge: "I pledge to never, ever vote for anyone, for any office, who votes in favor of the Mexican Invasion Surrender Bill."

Based on the (evil and wrongful) Supreme Court precedent known as Wickard vs. Filburn, Congress could pass a law with the following provisions:

  1. Make it a felony to provide, or continue to provide, any banking services of any kind to persons who are not in the country legally. It would also be a separate felony to fail to verify that the customers for such services are legal residents. So, no bank accounts, no check cashing, no wire transfers and no Western Union for Illegals.
  2. Make it a felony to provide any wage, salary, consulting fee or any payment of any kind for services rendered, or to provide payment of any debt of any kind, to any person who is not in the country legally--unless the payment is in the form of cash denominated in the currency of the payee's native country.
  3. Impose a 75% witholding tax on all income earned by anyone not in the county legally. The collected withholding tax would only be refundable in the currency of the taxpayer's native country--and the tax return would have to be mailed from that country, and the refund sent to an address in that country.

If such a law were passed, illegals could still come here and work. But the Mexicans (for example) would have to take their pay in Pesos--and would have to go back to Mexico to spend it, or even to deposit it in a bank (or do anything else with it.) And they'd have to wait as much as 18 months to get most of it back as a tax refund.

Problem solved.

4 posted on 06/12/2007 11:32:18 PM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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To: TheThinker

This is not over yet. Bush refuses to give up this easily. It's his stubborn character. He will try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

5 posted on 06/12/2007 11:38:46 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: TheThinker

Tomorrow: How to revive Dracula. We think he was a nice guy so why not?


6 posted on 06/12/2007 11:44:13 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: sourcery
"If such a law were passed, illegals could still come here and work. But the Mexicans (for example) would have to take their pay in Pesos--and would have to go back to Mexico to spend it, or even to deposit it in a bank (or do anything else with it.)"

No, you just create an underground exchange house system and lose any traceability that might now exist. In addition you would create an incentive for a black market money smuggling racket and all the crime and mayhem that would follow. This is really not very well thought through.
7 posted on 06/13/2007 12:08:00 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt
No, you just create an underground exchange house system and lose any traceability that might now exist. In addition you would create an incentive for a black market money smuggling racket and all the crime and mayhem that would follow. This is really not very well thought through.

Actually, those objections had occurred to me. But I'm more interested in making people think creatively about solutions, than I am in any particular proposals at this point. Our choices aren't just between amnesty and Gestapo-like raids by ICE. And yes, the pros and cons of whatever is proposed need to be debated and thoroughly analyzed and considered.

It my be sufficient to simply do the following (which I don't think suffers from any of the objections you raise):

  1. Impose a 75% witholding tax on all income earned by anyone not legally in the United States.
  2. Deny standing in Federal Courts to any plaintiffs who are not legally in the United States.

8 posted on 06/13/2007 12:21:08 AM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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To: sourcery
"Impose a 75% witholding tax on all income earned by anyone not legally in the United States"

Won't work. You are asking employers who hire illegally to follow the law. If that worked, there would be no need to do it because you could just ask them not to hire illegals in the first place.

"Deny standing in Federal Courts to any plaintiffs who are not legally in the United States."

That would require a Constitutional amendment to exempt them from constitutional protections. Not going to happen nor should it.

The only real solution is to fill the jobs with people that have been vetted (i.e. no criminal history and no communicable diseases). If that means a non skilled guest worker program on the order or 5-10 million workers then so be it.

Once the jobs are filled by people we approve of then the insentive for the others is reduced.
9 posted on 06/13/2007 12:32:45 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

“That would require a Constitutional amendment to exempt them from constitutional protections. Not going to happen nor should it.”

Sure it should. They don’t deserve rights. And If our rights are creator endowed, how does that go for you who don’t seem to beleive in a creator?


10 posted on 06/13/2007 1:03:08 AM PDT by slow5poh
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To: ndt
"Impose a 75% witholding tax on all income earned by anyone not legally in the United States"

You are asking employers who hire illegally to follow the law. If that worked, there would be no need to do it because you could just ask them not to hire illegals in the first place.

If tax witholding works for you and me, it will work for illegals. The IRS is not ICE, and is much better at enforcing the tax laws than ICE is at enforcing the immigration laws.

It may be easy to hire illegals. But it's not so easy to survive a tax audit--especially in the case of employers and payroll witholding taxes. To get a tax deduction for wages paid, you have to report them as an expense.

"Deny standing in Federal Courts to any plaintiffs who are not legally in the United States."

That would require a Constitutional amendment to exempt them from constitutional protections. Not going to happen nor should it.

In 2005, Congress passed a law which stated that ""No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination." The Supreme Court upheld the authority of Congress to pass such a law. Your objection is thus overruled.

11 posted on 06/13/2007 1:10:03 AM PDT by sourcery (Double Feature: "The Amnestyville Horror" and "Kill the Bill, Vol. 2")
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To: slow5poh
"Sure it should. They don’t deserve rights."

Well they get them. Changing it would require an amendment, not a simple task.

"Sure it should. They don’t deserve rights. And If our rights are creator endowed, how does that go for you who don’t seem to beleive in a creator?"

Creator is undefined.
12 posted on 06/13/2007 1:37:10 AM PDT by ndt
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To: sourcery
"The IRS is not ICE, and is much better at enforcing the tax laws than ICE is at enforcing the immigration laws."

I won't go so far as to say you are wrong, but I suspect you are giving the IRS too much credit.

As it is, illegals working under the table are already violating tax law as they should be getting a Tax ID and paying under that. Hell, my wife has one and shes never set foot in the U.S. they aren't exactly hard to get.

"In 2005, Congress passed a law which stated that"

If you dig deeper, you will see that there is a critical distinction between an alien outside the U.S. or stopped at the border and one that is on U.S. soil. There is a good reason that they are kept at Guantanamo and it's not the weather.

see:

MARIA ANTONIETA MARTINEZ-AGUERO vs HUMBERTO GONZALEZ
Plyler v. Doe
United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez
ALMEIDA-SANCHEZ v. UNITED STATES
UNITED STATES v. CORTEZ
13 posted on 06/13/2007 1:45:49 AM PDT by ndt
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To: TheThinker

We need two bills to be passed with some time between.

1) Border security bill. With fence. Once that project is complete, then

2) Immigration bill. ‘No automatic citizenship or anchor babies’ needs to be included.

They are related, but two separate issues.

The first one should pass with no problem.


14 posted on 06/13/2007 3:54:33 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: ndt
The only real solution is to fill the jobs with people that have been vetted (i.e. no criminal history and no communicable diseases). If that means a non skilled guest worker program on the order or 5-10 million workers then so be it.

Why don't you just say you support continued illegal immigration? Who is going to provide health insurance for the guest workers? The people who are breaking the law hiring them. Sure you can trust those contractor and sub-contractors. LOL

15 posted on 06/13/2007 5:53:47 AM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ndt

Actually, the precedent until the 2nd Gulf War was to differentiate between Civil Rights and Human Rights, making the distinction that Civil Rights are granted only to citizens and, as explicitly granted, to legal residents.

Civil Rights are those granted to ensure the proper and just functioning of the system; human rights are those granted to those within and without the systen purely out of respect for life. Due process, suffrage, privacy, etc. are all civil rights; they all permit activity which may be directly contrary to the common good, but which are permitted anyway because denying them would likely have indirect consequences far more detrimental to the common good: our democratic system would fail.

Inasmuch as the system does not depend on civil rights afforded to non-citizens, the granting of rights may be done independently of what is good for the system, only what is good for the object of the system. If that is not also good for the non-citizen, they have a recourse which citizens have not: their own homeland. In such a case, those within the system can grant or suspend privileges in a manner consisting purely of what is beneficial to themselves; limited only on divine law which says to do no evil.

We can be so ingrained in Democracy, however, we can fail to recognize that certain actions forbidden by Democracy are evil not because they are inherently evil, but because they are injurious to the Democracy. For instance, it is good that government deliver swift justice. Limits to the effectiveness of government delivering such justice are defensible only inasmuch as they prevent the government evolving into a tyranny. Civil rights which limit the effective provision of justice are not good, but inherently evil, but an evil which is tolerated to prevent far worse evils.


16 posted on 06/13/2007 6:26:04 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: ndt

>> Creator is undefined. <<

No, but it *is* capitalized, meaning that “Creator” is a proper noun. That doesn’t mean that “Creator” refers to the Christian god, but it does mean that they personified the creator. “Endowed” also suggests a gift which has been given; we don’t merely “possess” rights, we are “endowed” with them.


17 posted on 06/13/2007 6:31:35 AM PDT by dangus (Mr. President, "Choke on it b!+ch" is not a very good campaign slogan for your amnesty.)
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To: South40

Why do we need a bill of any kind on this subject when we don’t enforce the ones we have?


18 posted on 06/13/2007 6:47:15 AM PDT by Faith-Hope
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just to put the illegal insertion in perspective. I do not buy the gestimate of 12 million - my take is upwards to 30 million. What if these were Muslims? The illegal population is at least 1/2 the population of Iraq within our border per the following CIA estimate:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/iz.html
Population: 27,499,638 (July 2007 est.)

19 posted on 06/13/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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