Plus, the ponytail is lame.
Posted on 06/13/2007 9:49:13 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
California regulates gun sales between private parties that take place at “gun shows”. Neighboring Nevada does not. Now a recent academic study indicates that unregulated private transactions at Nevada gun shows are behind an apparent pipeline of guns used in crimes in California.
The study was made by Dr. Garen Wintemute who directs the University of California at Davis Violence and Prevention Research Program. It was based on two years of observations at more than 24 gun shows in California, Nevada and three other states.
70% of the dealers at the Nevada gun shows lacked Federal Firearms licenses.
Nevada does not require background checks or that records be kept on private party sales at gun shows – unlike California.
At least two dozen “straw” purchases – firearms bought by one person but intended for another “prohibited” purchaser – were observed.
California lawmakers – aware of this problem – moved to regulate its gun shows several years ago.
But in States like Nevada, the N.R.A. has been successful in blocking similar efforts. The result is that criminals evade California gun shows to make their purchases where the N.R.A. actions protect them.
The gun show promoter who staged these events was quoted as saying that California style regulation will “only punish law-abiding citizens”. How a background check “punishes” the law abiding is not made clear.
When pressed, the gun show operator grew adamant. “Do you really think these laws are going to do anything to slow (criminals) down?”, he asked. Well, they have forced criminals out of California gun shows and into Nevada. A federal law might drive them out of gun shows altogether.
70% of the dealers unlicensed. Over two dozen “straw” sales that put guns in the hands of ex-felons. 4000 gun shows each year in the U.S.A.
But gun show regulation somehow hurts the “law abiding”? While no law ever stands in the way of America’s brilliant criminal class?? The truth is that laws which help us sort out the criminals from the law abiding (through background checks) also Keep firearms out of the hands of the latter. Who would oppose that?
Unlicensed gun dealers. Unscrupulous gun manufacturers. Second Amendment extremists?
[Bill Cavala was Deputy Director of the Assembly Speaker’s Office of Member Services where he worked for over 30 years. He attended undergraduate and graduate school in the 1960’s and received a doctorate in political science at UC Berkeley. He taught political science at UC Berkeley during the 1970's while he worked part-time for the State Assembly.
Cavala left teaching at UC Berkeley and went to work for Assembly Speaker Willie Brown in 1981 until his tenure as Speaker ended in 1995, and he has worked for his five successors as Speaker up to and including Speaker Fabian Nunez.
Mr. Cavala manages election campaigns for Democratic candidates.]
i’d bet that some of the “observed” straw purchases are father/ son, “here kid, i just bought this, but you’re gonna be my caddy and carry it around.”
The transaction you described is right in line with the 2nd’s: “...shall not be infringed.”
I like being lectured by people who have little to no understanding of an issue, other than their own biases. /s
I was wondering how they actually “observed” these “straw” sales -
I’m thinking that it was mostly fathers buying rifles for their sons.
Not a bad idea. Then you can take a little trek west to Front Sight, NV, and break 'em in good and proper.
Take your pick:
http://www.frontsight.com/Courses.asp
Too cool. I think a few years ago I might have seen them at the SOF convention...or a very similiar company at any rate.
Thanks for the link.
Do you [or anyone else here] know if Nevada law requires a private unlicensed individual [selling at a show, -or wherever] to see proof of state residency from his buyer?
You're quite welcome. I think Dr. Piazza's a stand-up guy, and his operation out there is second-to-none in the world. I've no qualms at all referring folks to Front Sight. In fact, IMO, had I the power to do it, I would make it Law that everyone get gun training of that caliber, whether they own any guns or not. FAR too many anti-gun beliefs arise from nothing more than a vacuum of personal experience.
Dr. Piazza espouses the belief -- and I agree with him -- that the best method to combat anti-gun thinking is personal exposure to competent, professional training in what Piazza calls "skill at arms". You take some anti-gun MSM talking head, put them through a two-day pistol course, and their fear of the weapon itself -- a primary force in anti-gun thinking -- evaporates, and they realize what most of us already know: that a gun is simply a tool that, when competently handled, is no more dangerous than a screwdriver. They probably won't run right out and join the NRA, but they won't continue to spread uninformed idiocy, anymore, either.
‘You take some anti-gun MSM talking head, put them through a two-day pistol course, and their fear of the weapon itself — a primary force in anti-gun thinking — evaporates, and they realize what most of us already know: that a gun is simply a tool that, when competently handled, is no more dangerous than a screwdriver. They probably won’t run right out and join the NRA, but they won’t continue to spread uninformed idiocy, anymore, either.’
Yep. A few years ago an avowed liberal anti gunner (laura something or other) went to Target World in Cincinnati and went through a basic gun safety training course.
She then wrote a column about it, and admitted she was in fact ‘thrilled’ by the experience.
Bottom line is if you enjoy any activity that requires hand - eye coordination, you’ll enjoy putting a round through a bullseye. Darts, shooting pool, bowling, doesn’t matter.
Not only that, the FFL has to be in the state in which the purchaser resides. This guy is a dunce. He will be celebrated in Berkely.
Not only that, the FFL has to be in the state in which the purchaser resides if it is a handgun, and the purchase of a long gun must comply with the laws in the purchaser’s home state. This guy is a dunce. He will be celebrated in Berkely.
However, only example provided is where a woman purchases a firearm for a man. In this example which the article describes as the most blatant, the man picks out the gun, and even goes and buys ammo for the gun while the woman purchases it.
Despite what the study states, that doesn't prove it was a straw purchase.
If you read Notice 1 on page 3 of ATF form 4473, you will find that it states:
You are also the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm as a legitimate gift for a third party.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/page03.htm
Unless the gentleman gave the woman the money with which to purchase the gun, which the person in the study doesn't claim to have seen happen, it isn't a straw purchase.
So the author of the study lies about seeing what must be straw purchases. However, that's only the first step in how liberals use lies to propose restrictions on gun sales and ownership.
The second step is for another person using that bogus study to misrepresent that lie as something even more nefarious. So in this article we see:
Over two dozen “straw” sales that put guns in the hands of ex-felons.
So we go from a claim of seeing evidence that someone bought someone else a gun as a gift, to not only being straw purchases, but that they put the guns into the hands of ex-felons.
Of course this person who is so concerned about these crimes didn't report them to the police and turn over the audio and photo evidence that they acquired. They don't even provide that evidence for anyone to verify. If they were to provide evidence to the public, they would open themselves to being sued for accusing these people of criminal acts. However, since they don't actually name anyone, they can simply lie with impunity and can't be held accountable.
Firearms transfers by private sellers (non-firearms dealers) are not subject to background checks in Nevada, although federal and state purchaser prohibitions still apply. However, section 202.254(1) provides that a private person who wishes to transfer a firearm may request that the Central Repository for Nevada Records of Criminal History perform a background check on the transferee. See the Nevada Private/Secondary Sales section.
Here is the law in Nevada:
Firearms transfers by private sellers (non-firearms dealers) are not subject to background checks in Nevada, although federal and state purchaser prohibitions still apply.
However, section 202.254(1) provides that a private person who wishes to transfer a firearm may request that the Central Repository for Nevada Records of Criminal History perform a background check on the transferee. See the Nevada Private/Secondary Sales section.
Thanks for the info. So unless the Show's rules apply, and individual unlicensed seller does not have to require ID from a buyer... Correct?
Do most shows require buyer/seller ID checks?
Yes they do.
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